domingo, 24 de agosto de 2008
Goku needed a power level of 3 millions to perform kaioh ken x 10
This scan belongs to daizenshuu 7The fucking retards who tell you that this scan does not belong to the daizenshuu 7 are fucking liars.
Well they lie about everything related with Tenshinhan,because they can't stand the fact that the Triclop was in the millions,specially unsupported fan sites like MFG(Mega Fucking Goofy web site).If you want to see a good lie about daizenshuu or dbz,well visit that dumb fansite,lol.
Seulement,, il ne peut y avoir de trop differences par rapport au potentiel de combat d'origine,et si l'on persiste à executer un kaioken trés puissant le corp risque d'exploser sous l'éffet de une trop trés decharge enérgetique.
Pour celui dont le potentiel de combat atteint 8.000 le limite de son kaiohken doit être du double,soit 16.000.Pour celui qui possède 3.000.000 de potentiel, kaiohken peut l'amplifier jusq'à dix fois plus."
"Just, there cannot have a big difference between the base fighting potential and his original base powerlevel to use it , and if the user persists in carrying out a very powerful kaioken his body can explode under the effect of a powerful energy discharge.
For the warrior whose fighting potential reaches 8.000 the limit to use kaioken
safely must be two times more his base and that is 16.000.
For the one who has a potential of 3.000.000 kaioken can
increase his powerlevel ten more times "
First Appearance: Chapter 226
Category: ki manipulation
People: Son Goku
Special Characteristics: A technique that instantly amplifies the ki inside one’s body, multiplying all that person’s abilities, including power, speed, defense, etc. Since it makes one capable of utilizing battle power many times their own ability, it is extraordinarily effective during battles with formidable opponents. However, because it is impossible to multiply excessively far beyond one’s abilities, experimenting with an unreasonably high Kaio-Ken might destroy one’s own body. When the user’s battle power is 8,000, their limit is x2, and when they are at 3 million the limit is x10. However, since real battles are harsh, Goku often had to use Kaio-Ken above those limits. The Kaio-Ken’s designer is the North Kaio, but Goku was the first person to be able to master it.
(Daizenshuu 2, p.212/ Daizenshuu 4, p.113)
Goku was first not the only one to learn the technique.
As you can see goku only managed to use kaiohken x 10, because he reached a power level of 3 millions.Plus,it states that if the user persists to carry out a very powerful kaioken his body can explode under the effect of a powerful energy discharge.
Exactly, Tenshinhan or goku's body would explode if he doesn't have a minimal power level to perform the technique.
However, some idiots can say that this official information is contradicted by the fact that Goku suggests that he should be able to handle the Kaioken 10x during his training for Namek,unfortunately for them goku never used it,so it isn't contradicted
by the manga.
It is clear for the persons who can read french(unfortunately some fanboys can't do it,simply they are too dumb to speak several languages,but they are proud to speak their native language better than the non-natives,lol) that in this text battle power level is the factor who allows Goku to use an higher kaioken without killing himself or else goku's body would explode.Goku needed a battle power of 3,000,000 to safely use the Kaiou-ken 10x.
It is stated deal with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People who make dumb retarded fan theories saying that physical durability was the factor are just ignoring what daizenshuu is saying.
Plus, this dumb theory is disproved by the fact that Goku when recovered from his injuries of the fight against ginyu and came to fight against Freeza was able to handle kaioken x20, so nothing suggests that physical conditioning achieved through training was the factor to withstand the stress and strain that using the Kaioken inflicts,because goku didn't train after the fight against ginyu.
Yes,the power level does factor into it.It is the only factor stated and supported by this text in daizenshuu 7.
And against vegeta goku said that "Even if I used a Kaiô-Ken x 5, it still wouldn't affect this guy!!!!"
It is fucking clear that goku couldn't go higher than kaiokenx4 or as stated in the fucking daizenshuu 7 his body would explode.Just learn to read french.
Above also says Energie vitale-life energie which means kaioh ken uses life force
and if goku needs 3 millions to perform kaiohken x 10 it means that Tenshinhan who used shin kikoho (a lot more powerful attack than kaioken) needed to have a power level
a lot bigger than 3 millions considering that goku using kaioken x20 (who took him into a power level of 60 millions) could not affect freeza.
What daizenshuu and manga tell us is that there is a direct relationship between Kaiohken, Shin kikoho and the power level used by the fighter.
Besides,during the fight against Freeza Tenshinhan says:
"No need to worry goku wil win"
Tenshinhan-"We forgot about Kaioh ken.Seeing Goku's actual strenght he can endure the use of the maximum kaioh ken:
This sentence proves that tenshinhan knows how kaiohken works which means kaio-sama taught him the technique.
Daizenshuu 7 tell us that goku to use safely kaioh ken x 10 without provoking any damage to his body needs a power level of 3.000.000 and Tenshinhan knows it.
So if tenshinhan knows that the amount of ki necessary to use kaioh ken x 10 corresponds to 3 millions and he uses Shin Kikoho who is stronger,obviously
Tenshinhan needs to have a power level above 3 millions.
Meaning that kaioh ken can kill you like Shinkikoho if you don't have
a specific power level which means your body can't sustain that kind of power if you don't have a power level in the millions.
For the fucking retards who say that shin kikoho has no limits during the fight against buutenksccolo
Tenshinhan states that Boo's blast is too strong even for the Shin Ki-ko-ho. There is a limit to it, which kills the argument that it multiplies his power by 7,000. All the facts show that
Tenshinhan reached the millions, but the fact there's a limit to the attack (ki-ko-ho) says he was at that level.
Conclusion,Daizenshuu 7 and manga tell us that you need a minimal power level to perform
Techniques like kaioh ken or Shin Kikoho.
For the Kikoho...when it's introduced, Chaozu yells out he's about to use the Kikoho, and then Roshi calls it the "chi cannon" and since the universal term for the energy in the viz manga is "chi" not "ki" means that technique uses the same energy as every other attack.
And why wouldn't it? They would state something saying that he has some secret form of energy, but no such thing is stated. There's only two differences between the kikoho and the shin kikoho, it's not a new move, only a improved version in which he's able to release more than one blast before he falls, and he's able to control how much energy he puts into it. He basically took the technique and changed the rules of it. Yeah, he's that good. As the enemies got stronger, the heroes had to get stronger, thus why Tenshinhan and the others got way better results at the same training.
In the original japanese manga:
Roshi(Kame Senin) about the standard Kikoho: "It's a technique with the potential for incredible destructive energy... Several times more than even the Kamehameha...
viz wrong translation
The "Chi Cannon"... a move of enormous destructive force... many times more powerful than even a Kamehameha... its power is so colossal, in fact, that the drain on one's own energy is devastating... warriors have been known to die by using it... and even if one survives, one's life is shortened... that evil Tsuru-sen'nin... teaching him a move that should be never taught...
Original Japanese Manga- Credit Chibi Mystic Gohan
"It's a technique with the potential for incredible destructive energy*... Several times more than even the Kamehameha..."
Nothing about pushing back the opponent. Hakairyoku is a pretty straightforward word (destructive energy/power). You cannot get the idea that the Kikoho is a mere pushing attack from this text.
there is no life force involved even if there is,the fact is that kaioken uses life force
and daizenshuu also tell us that battle power level is the factor who allows Goku to use an higher kaioken without killing himself or else goku's body would explode.
So there isn't any doubt that Tenshinhan had a power level in the millions.