tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26162378901929240872024-02-06T20:03:25.562-08:00Dragon ball Z Daizenshuu 7 PowerlevelsT.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-23087075450431636932010-05-30T04:32:00.000-07:002010-07-21T11:28:38.863-07:00Tenshinhan in the 23º world tournament vs Piccolo DaimaohAs expected despite the fact that in the manga it is clearly stated that Tenshinhan in the 23º World Tournament surpassed the power of Piccolo Daimaoh, the 3 old stooges from MFG make a case to bash Tenshinhan.<br />I'll give you an hint about them,one is a hick with a rocket in his ass named rocketretard,other uses an username who starts with an X and the last one uses an username who starts with a K(big explosion like <b class="postauthor">Kaboom,oops</b>).<br />Let's the destruction begin!!!!!!<br /><br />Tenshinhan hater stooge:<br />Daizenshuu gives to Piccolo Daimaoh a battle power of 260 and in the manga,five years after the 23º world Tournament Tenshinhan is stated to have a battle power of 250.<br /><br />Answer:OMFG are you fucking retarded?Of course you are! Everyone knows that you are a fucking joke and a mangatard who always says that daizenshuu doesn't count.<br />I get it when Daizenshuu says something the stooges hate,Daizenshuu sucks,then when we can manipulate an information given by the Daizenshuu,the daizenshuu becomes the bible.Spoken like a true idiot fanboy. Well done!!!!<br />Piccolo Daimaoh's power level is easily explained by the fact that in the daizenshuu they mix up hand to hand powers with energy blasts ex:<br />Gohan shows a pl of 2.800 using a masenko,but he never displayed that level while fighting hand to hand,obviously that PL of Piccolo Daimaoh refers to an energy blast full power.<br /><br />It is stated that Tenshinhan had a BP in the 22º of 180 hand to hand,but if he had used the kikoho his power level would be a lot greater than that.<br /><br />The daizenshuu also says that Piccolo had a BP of 3500 against Nappa,but he never showed that power hand to hand obviously Daizenshuu was referring to Piccolo's BP while he performs his most powerful energy blast the Makkankosappo/special beam canon.<br />We also have old piccolo with less than 260 using under half his ki(<130) to stomp 22nd tourney goku (180) into the mud. His Kamehameha even had no effect.<br />Yeah, Piccolo Daimaoh used less then half his power to beat up Son Goku, it's what's stated in the Manga translation.<br />We're also told Goku's power increased several times with Karin too.<br />Either they use a different scaler (like how kiri is different than BP), or it simply isn't linear. Take your pick.<br />If king kai states goku's power increases in folds while using kaioken, we all know Goku's battle power increases in folds.<br /><br />There's no argument. Kaio-sama doesn't even have a scouter yet he knows this. There's no logical reason (when thinking about it in-universe)to think that when karin says goku's power increased many times that it doesn't mean his battle power increased in folds or anyone else including piccolo jr. for that matter.<br /><br /><br />Anyway,it's stated in the manga that Tenshinhan got better than Goku during King Piccolo's fight.<br />Tenshinhan fought evenly with Weighted Goku BEFORE he increased his speed. Tenshinhan then said that Goku was stronger than before (3 years ago)when he defeated Piccolo Daimaoh.<br />This statement should be enough,but the fucking haters,the fucking 3 stooges decided to make a dumb case to bash Tenshinhan.<br /><br />Plus, Goku and Piccolo had to improve many-fold anyway from Daimaoh to the Budokai as that was stated.<br /><br />They were about equal in power when Goku was weighted. Krillin states this. Goku just had better stamina as Roshi further explained ...which is no surprise if he isn't even using close to his full power thanks to the weights.Goku is very strong against Daimao.<br />-Tenshinhan evenly fights Goku (whose full battle power is limited by the weights; in the fight with Raditz we found out that those weights took from him 82 units-416-334=82) but, even so after that quick fight Tenshinhan is able to conclude that he's even stronger then before...just that his speed has not changed.<br />-It obviously means Tenshinhan is stronger then Piccolo Daimaoh for him to be fighting about even with Goku and know just based on that fight that Goku is stronger then ever before<br />and was shown to be able to launch a Chou wave with no sweat.<br />This is all BEFORE Tenshinhan used his full speed.<br /><br /><br />Tenshinhan hater stooge:It means Ten is keeping up. Nothing more. Goku hasn't exactly smacked him down hard yet.<br /><br />Answer:WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!OMFG fucking dumbass,are you fucking retarded????????????<br /><br />Do you enjoy being made to look stupid???: WHERE THE FLYING FUCKITY-FUCK DO YOU PULL THAT SHIT FROM?!<br />That's not the point. Whatever power Goku was using at that point even if he is barely trying or hasn't laid the smackdown on Tenshinhan yet is stated to be stronger then what he was 3 years ago. And Tenshinhan fought pretty evenly.<br />Again you have been taken apart!!!!!<br />obliterated!!!!!!! Smashed to pieces!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><br />Tenshinhan hater stooge:Goku was holding back against Tenshinhan.<br /><br />Answer:And the nominees for THE I GOT BITCH SLAPPED THE HARDEST FOR Retarded statements are the 3 stooges the 3 great Tenshinhan haters from MFG R;X and K<br />OMFG Are you fucking retarded or just genetically stupid?????????????????<br /><br />The notion that Son Goku was holding back is hilarious since he was using heavy clothes who supressed his power and speed, again, the notion that Son Goku with weights was holding back against Tenshinhan is purely fanmade and there isn't anything in the actual match that suggests that. Not that it really makes a difference, because even if he was holding back Tenshinhan says that he was stronger then he was 3 years ago, so keeping that in mind it's not the 250 battle power that i find wrong(or 250 can refer to tenshinhan relaxed without pushing himself to the limits) it's the 260 power that they give Piccolo Daimaoh in the Daizenshuu unless they are talking about Piccolo Daimaoh using his full power through an energy blast ex.Piccolo had 408 against Raditz,but he was able to expand his battle power to 1480 due to makkanosapo/special beam canon .<br />I have the Daizenshuu in high regards but it's clear that the battle power they give Piccolo Daimaoh goes against what's said in the manga, especially considering the 250 power Akira Toriyama gave Tenshinhan in DBZ. The only way 260 would make sense, would be if 250 was Tenshinhan's power suppressed which i find very plausible considering that Tenshinhan had a great deal of room to grow in the 8 years from Piccolo Daimaoh until the start of Z.<br /><br />What is said in volume 15 during the Tenshinhan vs Goku fight is very clear, Tenshinhan claims that Goku has increased his power since he battled three years ago which means that Goku with weights at the 23rd tournament is more powerful then Goku against Piccolo Daimaoh, that same Tenshinhan was able to keep up with Goku with weights and was actually faster then him, which can only mean that Tenshinhan is also more powerful then Goku was three years before against Piccolo Daimao,<br />making Tenshinhan also stronger then Piccolo Daimaoh himself.<br />You got clapped down again!!!!!!!!!!!!!Come again retards and i will take you down like shit.Read and understand and don't just fly off at the mouth with jibberish!!!!<br /><br /><br /><br />Tenshinhan hater stooge:Piccolo wins. Sorry, but an off-the-cuff remark from Tien who couldn't even sense ki at that point doesn't constitute evidence<br /><br />answer:That's why you get bitchslapped and taken apart on the regular dumbass!!!!Fucking dumbass you need to take your medication to make such dumb statement.Take your fix. You need help!<br />And...you're wrong dumbass, Tenshinhan could already feel chi, during the the battle between Piccolo Daimaoh and Goku, when Piccolo Daimaoh is powering up Tenshinhan clearly says that he has a tremendous chi, you can check volume 13 page 178 of the manga.You're just digging yourself a deeper hole asshole.lMFAO!You just got owned pretty bad on this one.looool<br /><br />Tenshinhan hater stooge:even if he can sense ki, that doesn't mean he can sense it to such extent he can accurately compare the size of two ki signals. Goku could "sense" ki way back in the Baba arc, yet that didn't help him gauge his chances against the likes of old Daimao or Yajirobe.<br /><br />answer:Wrong again fucking dumbass!!!!!You are comparing apples with oranges.<br />If he can sense that Piccolo Daimaoh chi increased, then why he wouldn't be able to tell that Goku was stronger then he was before, not to mention that it would make little sense for Akira Toriyama to write that if in the end it was false.<br />Tenshinhan's statement is never contradicted,therefore it is true,period.<br />All your examples show that Goku was wrong dumbass,that's not the case with Tenshinhan's statements,actually dumbass, in the same fight Tenshinhan also states that Goku had not used his full power after he took the weights during their fight and he was right, so there is no reason why he would be wrong about Goku being stronger then he was 3 years earlier.You got destroyed like a maggot after this last one dumbass!!!!!!!!!<br />You've been destructed DIRECT QUOTES full of retarded biased claims.<br /><br />Besides,you don't really need to feel chi to know that you're opponent has grown stronger, like for example during the preliminary rounds of the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai when Goku comments that Kuririn was much better then he was three years ago just by watching his movements, or when they see Jackie Chan in action against his first opponent in the preliminaries and make a similar statement. It's on volume 10.<br /><br />Finally fucking dumbass,it would be pathetic and retarded that Tenshinhan would come to a tournament confident that he could win with a battle power inferior to Goku's battle power of 3 years ago.<br />Again,after those 3 years Tenshinhan was confident that he could win,it is like Tenshinhan showing up to fight Nappa with a battle power inferior Raditz.<br />When you make retarded claims contradicted by the manga,you need to provide evidence and obviously you just proved your pathetic BS against a character,nothing more.<br /><br /><br />This is what i call a brutal destruction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />After getting bludgeoned for the umpteenth time this is all you have????? You need sleep. Rest and recuperate, you've been taken apart....again. You should be used to it by now.Owned !!!!!Again i destroyed the fallacies of these dumbasses EASILY!<br />THESE MANGATARDS BIASED WATCHDOGS MAKE ME SICK!!!!!!!!!!!T.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-39947437200741497622010-03-06T11:18:00.000-08:002010-07-24T09:14:13.633-07:00DragonBall Daizenshuu 2 – Story Guide /DragonBall Daizenshuu 4 – World Guide/Daizenshuu 7 Human Racial DictionaryFacts about Tenshinhan in Daizenshuu 2, Daizenshuu 4 and Daizenshuu 7<br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">DragonBall Daizenshuu 2 – Story Guide</span><br />08 - <br />Equal ability! The appearance of his rival, Tenshinhan!<br /><br />Vol. 10 / Chp. 114Tenshinhan was a stuck-up and sarcastic person. During their match, he aimed for Goku's life, but when the intense battle had passed, his heart began to open up. Their battle gave birth to something close to even friendship. Afterwards he became Goku's ally.<br /><br />TENSHINHAN<br /><br />01 - <br />Meeting Kame-sennin, who showed him the true path.<br /><br />Vol. 11 / Chp. 124At Kame-sennin's words of "Walk a bright path", Tenshinhan's heart is shaken.<br /><br />02 - <br />Regret! Loosing Kame-sennin and Chaozu before his eyes.<br /><br />Vol. 12 / Chp. 145Sprayed with Kame-sennin's sleep medicine, Tenshinhan can do nothing.<br /><br />03 - <br />The death of Chaozu, his constant companion.<br /><br />Vol. 19 / Chp. 217In order to save Tenshinhan, Chaozu dies. At the death of his friend, Tenshinhan is thrown into a frenzy. He attacks with all of his remaining strength.<br /><br />Vol. 19 / Chp. 218His friendship with Chaozu is his greatest treasure.<br /><br />04 - <br />Even far apart, he is Goku and everyone's ally!!<br /><br />Vol. 40 / Chp. 474Even separated, he is concerned about Goku and the others from afar.<br /><br />A turnabout into a good person.<br />Tenshinhan aimed to be an excellent assassin and trained under Tsuru-sennin. One day, his heart was stirred by the words of Jackie Chun (Kame-sennin), who he met at the Tenkaichi Budoukai. Looking at Tsuru-sennin, who was persistently fixated on killing, Tenshinhan decided to cut himself off from him.<br /><br />Tenshinhan washed his feet from the path of evil, but then due to Piccolo Daimao, Kame-sennin, who he respected, as well as his fellow pupil Chaozu, are killed. Mastering the "Mafuuba", a move he saw the now dead Kame-sennin perform, he challenges Piccolo Daimao on his own.<br /><br />Eventually, during the battle with the Saiyans, he loses Chaozu. Trying to stop the power of the Saiyan Nappa, Chaozu willingly sacrificed himself. Angry at the death of his friend, who couldn't be restored to life a second time, Tenshinhan faces his enemy and dies a vain but noble death.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:180%;" >Tenshinhan wanders throughout the entire Earth. He will continue training forever.</span><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">In daizenshuu 2 it is also confirmed that Tenshinhan and Chaoz always used weighted</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">clothes</span></span><br />Here is the citation and the link to the kanzentai translations.<br />http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.php?m=04&id=grow_up#link<br /><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Vol. 42 / Chp. 517 It seems that he(Chaozu who follows Tenshinhan orders and obviously Tenshinhan ) trains often in northern provinces, and in the mountains he</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">wears heavy clothing</span>.<br /><br />Also Daizenshuu 2 states that <span style="font-weight: bold;">after the battle with Cell, he(Krillin) peacefully lives with No. 18 at Kame House. Even having a daughter now, he has thoroughly distanced himself from battle.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">Vol. 36 / Chp. 426 </span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">(Krillin) No longer training, his hair has grown out.</span><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 0, 51);font-size:180%;" >As you can see Krillin during 7 years didn't train anymore instead Tenshinhan trained always like an animal to become stronger(stated in Daizenshuu 7) during 7 years with weigths and some dumbasses want to convince us that Krillin<br />was stronger than Tenshinhan.lol<br />Tenshinhan was always stronger than Krillin ALWAYS!!!!!!!!</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Daizenshuu 2, p.130<br />TENSHINHAN </span><br />A lofty martial artist who aims for distant heights.<br />As a pupil of Tsuru-sennin, Tenshinhan aimed to be the greatest assassin in the world, but shaken by Kame-sennin's words in the end he followed his own road. <span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);font-size:130%;" >Usually not interacting with his allies, he continues his journey of training with just Chaozu and rushes to the scene whenever anything happens.</span><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">TSURU-SENNIN PUPIL ERA / VOL. 10~12 </span><br />Trained by Tsuru-sennin, he aimed to be an assassin like Tao Pai Pai.<span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 153);font-size:130%;" > <span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">He possesses many types of techniques, and his speed is especially prominent. </span></span><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">TRAVELING WARRIOR ERA / VOL. 12~42 </span><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">After the battle with Piccolo Daimao had ended, he began to live the life of a traveling warrior along with Chaozu. On a plot of land deep in the mountains, the two of them immerse themselves in training.</span></span><br /><br />Vol. 31 / Chp. 373 <span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);font-size:130%;" >His techniques powered up as well.</span><br /><br />Vol. 41 / Chp. 501 <span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 102);">Even during the battle with Buu, he gallantly appears. He saves Dende</span></span>.<br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 153);">CHAOZU </span><br />A small psychic that immerses himself in training along with Tenshinhan.<br />Like Tenshinhan, he was a pupil of Tsuru-sennin and trained to be an assassin. After the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai, together with Tenshinhan he sets off as a wandering warrior. Unlike the other warriors, during battle he uses his psychic powers rather than kenpou to defeat his enemies.<br /><br />TSURU-SENNIN PUPIL ERA / VOL. 10~12<br />In addition to having psychic powers that allow him to float in the air and stop his opponent's movement, he can easily use Tao Pai Pai's Dodonpa. However, his weakness is mathematics.<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">TRAVELING WARRIOR ERA / VOL. 13~42 </span><br />Together with Tenshinhan, Chaozu set out as a traveling warrior. He continued to train as he passed through different places. With a bigger size and physique than he had as a pupil of Tsuru-sennin, you can see traces of growth.<br /><br />Vol. 42 / Chp. 517<span style="font-weight: bold;">It seems that he trains often in northern provinces, and in the mountains he wears heavy clothing.</span><br /><br />Staff Credits<br /><br />構成 : キャラメル・ママ Organization : Caramel Mama<br />アートデイレクター : 田熊樹美 (フライハイト) Art Director : Takuma Jumi (Freiheit)<br /><br />著者 : 鳥山 明 Author : Toriyama Akira<br />発行人 : 坂口紀和 Publisher : Sakaguchi Norikazu<br />編集人 : 渡辺彰則 Editor : Watanabe Akinori<br />発行所 : 株式会社集英社 Publishing House : Shueisha Co., Ltd.<br />印刷所 : 大日本印刷株式会社 Printing House : Dai Nippon Printing Co., Ltd.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">DragonBall Daizenshuu 4 – World Guide</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Individuals' Unique Characteristics<br />Tenshinhan</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">A descendent of aliens who uses unique techniques.<br />Tenshinhan uses techniques that are impossible to think of being those of an Earthling, such as growing arms from his back or splitting into four people. It's a small wonder then that Tenshinhan is a descendent of the Three-Eyed people, themselves the posterity of aliens, and that he has a unique physical composition as a throwback to his ancestors.</span><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">"Earthlings blessed with fighting potential."</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">Meaning that some humans really had a high fighting potential like Yajirobe who never trained and had a battle power relatively close to Goku when he first met him.</span><br /><br />The prosperous co-existence of diverse Earthlings.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Animal-type Earthling</span>: They look like animals, but they speak, use weapons, express human emotions, and behave just like humans. Among them there also exist Animal-type Earthlings who have acquired unique powers, such as Oolong and the Boss Rabbit.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Human-type Earthling</span>: The most numerous kind of Earthling, the general human type. They mostly have no unique powers, but there are also some who have acquired exceptional abilities. There are those like Bulma and Dr. Brief who possess brilliant intelligence, those like <span style="font-weight: bold;">Yajirobe who have great battle potential</span>, those like Uranai Baba who have mysterious powers, and the like.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Monster-type Earthling</span>: Earthlings who fit into neither the Animal-type nor Human-type are Monster-type. There are many who have a distinctive appearance, like Mira-kun and Suke-san who Goku and co. fought at Uranai Baba's palace, and they possess mysterious powers. Pilaf, whose true identity is unclear, is also included in this Monster-type.<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Daizenshuu 7: Human Racial Dictionary </span><br />Tenshinhan<br />A martial artist<br /><br />History<br /><br />Born in the year Age 733. Height: 187 cm, Weight: 75 kg. He aspired to become an assassin, and studied the martial arts under Tsuru-sennin. However, he was influenced by Kame-sennin and Goku when he met them at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai, and left Tsuru-sennin. He participated in numerous battles with Goku. When his fellow disciple Chaozu died, he trained intensively to learn the Mafuuba so that he could fight Piccolo Daimao. When Chaozu self-destructed in the battle with Nappa, he fired the Kikoho to avenge him, but used up all his power and died. After training under Kaio, he was revived through Porunga. <span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" >After the battle with Cell, he set off with Chaozu on a journey of training, and during the battle with Majin Buu he saved his comrade from danger.</span><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Characteristics</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">As a descendent of the alien Three-Eyed People</span>, <span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">he has physical idiosyncrasies that can't be considered that of an Earthling, such as splitting into four people, and growing arms from his shoulders. </span><span style="font-weight: bold;">He's a rare pure martial artist, who only wishes to get stronger</span>. (Daizenshuu 2, p.130 / Daizenshuu 4, p.69)<br />Battles<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Techniques</span><br /><br />Shishin no Ken, Taiyo-ken, Kikoho, Shiyo-ken, Shin-Kikoho, etc.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Of course, the usual retards always question Daizenshuu making retarded statements like saying that Toriyama didn't write the daizenshuus ignoring the fact that mangakas don't write Databooks.<br />However,Akira Toriyama supervised the databooks and that part they always love to ignore.<br /><br />構成 : キャラメル・ママ Organization : Caramel Mama<br />アートデイレクター : 田熊樹美 (フライハイト) Art Director : Takuma Jumi (Freiheit)<br /><br />著者 : 鳥山 明 Author : Toriyama Akira<br />発行人 : 坂口紀和 Publisher : Sakaguchi Norikazu<br />編集人 : 渡辺彰則 Editor : Watanabe Akinori<br />発行所 : 株式会社集英社 Publishing House : Shueisha Co., Ltd.<br />印刷所 : 大日本印刷株式会社 Printing House : Dai Nippon Printing Co., Ltd.<br /><br />You can see the full articles in the site kanzentai.<br />http://www.kanzentai.com/index.php<br /><br />Be careful,because some old dumb rats from MFG and retarded Krillin fanboys from MFG currently are behind the articles<br />in the english wikipedia and they are also in all the sites about DBZ including daizenshuu ex.<br />These guys are everywhere,lol so expect a lot of old retarded theories bashing Tenshinhan,Toei Animation<br />and the Daizenshuu.T.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-54515945855145750072010-01-30T11:21:00.000-08:002010-01-30T11:39:03.178-08:00Dragon Ball OnlineThese informations come from the game, some from the official site, and some of it's a bit older, from a press conferences:<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">The Pale Man, Miira</span><br /><br />The Pale Man's name is Miira, and the current main goal for players is to uncover and prevent his evil plans. Miira is a humanoid that was created in the Dark Demon Realm (Ankoku Makai), and invaded Earth in Age 2000 to try and conquer it. He recruits the remnants of the Freeza and Red Pants Armies and begins gathering life energy, then travels back in time with a time machine to try and obtain Goku's DNA to become even stronger. Kami-sama (Dende) asks Trunks to prevent this, leading to the formation of the Time Patrol.<br /><br />You may or may not know that in one of the recent Dragon Ball guidebooks, Akira Toriyama introduced the concept of Makaioshin, corrupted Kaioshin (Supreme Kais) that rule over the Dark Demon Realm (where Dabura is from). It was speculated that he brought this up because he planned to use them in DBO. Though I'm pretty sure Miira isn't a Makaioshin, I feel fairly confident in saying that the female character he's been pictured with probably is, and that she may be the one who created him.<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">The Human Race and Classes</span><br /><br />Of the three races, the humans have the longest established culture on Earth, and they're also the most prolific, having spread to all corners of the world, including the Wastelands. As of Age 1000, the human race has become cross-bred with the Saiyan race, and as such, many believe that the race holds a powerful, hidden potential. In Age 820, the remnants of the Freeza Army invaded Earth; the war and environmental destruction has given the human race an intense drive to protect the planet.<br /><br />You may have also noticed that humans in the Age 1000 are well aware of advanced fighting techniques. This is all thanks to Son Gohan, who published the book "Groundbreaking Science" around Age 800, presumably introducing concepts such as ki control to the general public and ushering in a worldwide revolution in martial arts (details on this aren't completely clear).<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Introducing the New Hermits<br /></span><br />After Gohan wrote "Groundbreaking Science", which advocated martial arts and increased expectations to use them, many began to call for a revival of the Turtle and Crane Schools. <span style="font-weight:bold;">However, the Turtle and Crane Hermits had retired due to old age, and the task of revival was passed on to Kuririn and Tenshinhan.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Kuririn founded the New Turtle School</span>. Having fought many battles alongside Saiyans and Namekians, he understood that humans simply couldn't compare to aliens and developed techniques that revolved around working together. Even if they're unable to deal a killing blow to kill their opponent, they can still weaken them, and by combining their efforts with others, would be able to contend with far stronger enemies.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Tenshinhan, on the other hand, came to a different conclusion, believing that it was more important to develop aggressive attacks by controlling ki than it was to provide support.</span> <span style="font-weight:bold;">Having witnessed the Genki Dama that Son Goku used to defeat Majin Boo, he realized that it was possible for an individual to defeat even the strongest opponent by raising their power to the limits and gathering tremendous amounts of ki. As such, he developed techniques that revolved around strategically collecting ki and unleashing bursts of intense energy with precise timing.</span><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;"><br />Founding of the groundbreaking Kikoukenjutsu Sword School</span><br /><br />In Gohan's "Groundbreaking Science", he wrote that the Katchin metal (that was used to test the Z-Sword) could, in fact, be cut, which caused many to become interested in learning swordplay. When Trunks and Goten learned about this, they got all fired up and decided that they'd start an awesome sword school of their own. This lead to the founding of the groundbreaking Kikoukenjutsu Sword School. Kikoukenjutsu, or "Spiritual Swordsmanship", revolves around elegant swordplay and infusing blades with ki to overpower opponents.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;"><br />The Namekian Race and Classes<br /></span><br /><br />After the namekian's homeworld, Planet Namek, was destroyed, they migrated to New Namek. However, that was attacked by Miira in Age 853, forcing them to move yet again. They settled on Earth, primarily around "Porunga Rocks", a region that was terraformed to resemble Namek. They now work on behalf of Kami-sama Dende to prevent Miira from causing global destruction.<br />Unlike other races, namekians are genderless and reproduce asexually.<br /><br />The Namekian Warriors are warrior-type namekians that follow the teachings of the legendary namekian warrior, Piccolo, and they fall into two categories Makai Warriors and Madou Warriors. Makai Warriors follow Piccolo's teachings, while the Madou Warriors are those who have reinterpreted Piccolo's teachings to develop a new style.<br /><br />Namekian Dragon Clansmen are the rare namekians born into the Dragon Clan, who have the ability heal others and to create and control shenlongs. The Dende Priests follow the teachings of Kami-sama Dende, who is regarded as the greatest spirtual teacher in Namekian history, and emphasize healing and strengthening their allies. Poko Priests, on the other hand, vomit eggs that hatch into demon shenlongs called Pokopen, which they can control, similar to Piccolo Daimao; these Pokopen include Bongo and Gamelan.<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">The Majin Race and Classes</span><br /><br />After Goku left to train Oob, Mr. Boo and Mr. Satan won the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai by cheating, and remained undefeated through the 29th and 30th. However, after a while, Mr. Boo became envious of the humans and the close relationships they had with their sweethearts. In Age 790, Boo accidentally found and read Mr. Satan's copy of "Bob and Margaret", a controversial adult book, in his library. He began to study it in order to create a "Female Boo" that would be just his type. With the name Booby in mind, he removed part of his body and molded it into a wife for himself, then finished by hitting her with a Love Beam, causing her to give birth to a "Baby Boo". From then on the population grew quickly, and, in time, the descendants of Boo were recognized worldwide as the Mmajin race. They're an optimistic and joyful people who dedicate themselves to making "fun days" for otherse, though they can become dangerous when they're angry or confused. They stand against Miira in order to create a more pleasant Earth.<br /><br />The majin fall into two basic categories: Daimajin (Large Majin) and Imajin (Strange Majin). The Daimajin are happy and have a natural gift for uplifting the spirits of those around them and are also able to reduce the impact of enemy attacks with their soft bodies. They can become Ultima, musicians who enjoy fighting and rally their friends with songs, or Granma, chefs who torment their enemies with a mischievous and fattening fighting style and use maces that resemble foods.<br /><br />The Imajin, on the other hand, are majin that at some point experienced the corrupting influence of sin. They're aggressive, and develop fighting techniques capable of really hurting their enemies. They can become Plasmas, who become too fixated on enjoying themselves and taking pleasure in nature; like monks, Plasmas use their drums to draw on the power of nature (like lighting), but can also use the drums to fill their friends with rhythm. The Karmas are majin who have developed a dark side due to past experience with sin, and they dance and wear masks to frighten or entrance their enemies.<br /><br /><br />General Translation Notes<br /><br />Regarding Martial Artists and Fighters, the Japanese terms, "budoka" and "kakutouka". Budo is a catch-all term referring to any sort of fighting style, while kakutou refers more specifically to hand-to-hand and competitive martial arts, though both are often translated as just "martial arts".<br /><br />I've generally used "spiritual" as a catch-all for the Japanese term "kikou", or "ki control". This is actually the Japanese translation for the Chinese art of Chi Kung, and in Dragon Ball, refers to the cultivation and channeling of ki. The term's notable used by Tenshinhan in his "Kikouhou", which was dubbed as "Tri-Beam". In the "Kikoukenjutsu" (Spiritual Swordsmanship), the term implies that the sword techniques revolve around channeling ki into the blade.<br /><br />The Crane and Turtle Hermits aren't called "Roshi". Roushi literally means "old man that teaches", and it's Muten Roushi's name. The Turtle and Crane Hermit classes are "Kame-senshi" and "Tsuru-senshi", with "senshi" meaning "hermit". Senshi is used to differentiate the class from the original Turtle and Crane Hermits, which are written as "Kame-sennin" and "Tsuru-sennin".<br /><br />Regarding the namekian classes, the Makai Warriors (Makai Senshi) and Madou Warriors (Madou Senshi) are two different takes on Piccolo's teachings. Makai means "demon realm", and Madou means "demon arts". Dende Priests (Dende-doushi) are obviously disciples of Dende (his name is written as "Denden" in Korean). Poko Priests (Poko-doushi) are based on Piccolo Daimao, who summoned his demon offspring by chanting "Pokopen". In DBO, the demon dragons that Poko Priests summon are called Pokopen, and the two that are available are named Bongo and Gamelan, named after musical instruments just Piccolo Daimao's children.<br /><br />Also, the Poko Priests don't use "hearthstones". They use "demon stones", or "maseki". The reason machine translations translate it as "hearthstone" is because that's the name of a World of Warcraft item that's called a "magic stone" in the Korean version, and that has the same hanja as "demon stone". Hearthstones in WoW are items you can use to teleport to whichever inn is currently set as your home, hearthstone (hearth means home).<br /><br />Daimajin literally means "Large Majin"; "dai", meaning "big" or "large", refers specifically to size, even though female majin are obviously not big and fat. Some have been using "Mighty Majin", but I must say that the Japanese word for "mighty" is actually kyoudai, "large strength". Most likely, when they originally created the majin race, they intended for Daimajin to be fat and Imajin to be skinny, but instead decided to just make the males fat and the females skinny.<br /><br />Imajin literally means "Strange Majin", referring to the fact that these are majin that have been tainted by sin, making them different from the Daimajin that live to make others happy. "I" means "strange", "abnormal", "unsual", etc., and though "wonder" is certainly apt, I don't think "Wonder Majin" accurately depicts them as being corrupted by sin.<br /><br />Ultima, Granma, Plasma, and Karma are all obviously words that end in -ma, a referance to the "ma" in majin. Granma might very well come from "Grandma", as grandmother's are often known to cook for their families. The Plasmas are also pretty clearly inspired by the Japanese Thunder God, Raijin, who is usually depicted with a ring of drums on his back that he uses to create thunder.<br /><br /><br />The human race has become cross-bred with the Saiyan race<br /> By the time DB ended, the Saiyan DNA had already been diluted to 1/4th with Pan's generation. You have to consider that by the year 1000, we're looking at people that are already something like 10 generations removed from Goku and Vegeta.<br /><br />If Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Bra each had a family and one or two children each, then within 10 generations you're already looking at thousands of human descendants with diluted saiyan DNA (something like 1% saiyan, maybe more when you consider it's genetically safe to breed with cousins that are a few generations removed).<br /><br /><br />Technically, not anyone can do it. The Saiyan blood is so diluted that the only way to awaken it is to collect the seven Dragon Balls and wish for it (at level 50).<br /><br />Even then, the ability is fairly limited (lasts for only 10 minutes and can only be used once an hour), so it's really more of a "last ditch effort" ability, not something they can pull out whenever they want.<br />Namekians have three fingers, Karin's blue, etc.. In an interview, one of the developers mentioned that they were staying as true to the manga as possible when asked about GT.<br /><br />It's also worth noting that Akira Toriyama's really involved in the game, and has to sign off on every single character design, scenery, item, and story element introduced in the game.<br />Akira Toriyama's supervision is also given a lot of credit for how well the game came together.<br />But while he signs off on the story elements, he didn't actually write the story. The game scenario was written by the game staff, and Toriyama's main involvement in the game is in the way of character designs.<br /><br />Toriyama's direct involvement seems to mainly revolve around the character designs and the general look of the game, and beyond that, it's just general supervision. He probably contributes concepts for the story, but leaves the important details up to the scenario writers. Of course, it's hard to tell just how involved people are with games like this if they don't explicitly state what they've done.<br /><br /><br />Next, they talk a bit about the story, and Akira Toriyama's involvement. Basically, they say that the story of Dragon Ball Online can't be the same as the original story, because it's set 250 years later, and they need to have new events for the present setting. They say that they're trying to implement the most original stories, and that everything is produced under the supervision of the original author, Akira Toriyama, and Shueisha, the copyright holders.<br /><br />hey want to eventually implement team-up attacks. They also mention that they have to come up with a lot of completely original abilities, simply because they're required for the sake of gameplay, but that it can be a difficult process because Akira Toriyama and Shueisha have to consent to every ability they come up with. This is taken very seriously, so that anything they develop can be considered an official part of Dragon Ball.T.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-74462446596569404332010-01-10T04:22:00.000-08:002010-01-30T07:35:18.408-08:00Daizenshuu 2 and Tenshinhan's training clothesToriyama Akira's Introduction<br /> <br />It seems that the second of the complete works is a "story edition". For me, who drew the manga in a hit-or-miss fashion, having it called a "story" is only embarrassing. Even so, I suppose that my job of thinking up the story was a little more fun than when I was drawing the pictures. Ah, but to speak frankly, the second half of the story was difficult because I somewhat overdid thinking it up. Though I did a good job continuing it like that... I think.<br /><br />– Toriyama Akira<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiXfZpViiD41s43G3APHPJ_rnNWnQgsqX6s5dPaRzyYNBXWzC45UNxQOLyrja9disI9UKHW_V9AVN0t09DdILzrk6t67ZUKF3YZS93A8-ifXndH-2VMgy9uciIbLBPdV_lOf28ed2lOLmw/s1600-h/chaozu_01.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 100px; height: 100px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiXfZpViiD41s43G3APHPJ_rnNWnQgsqX6s5dPaRzyYNBXWzC45UNxQOLyrja9disI9UKHW_V9AVN0t09DdILzrk6t67ZUKF3YZS93A8-ifXndH-2VMgy9uciIbLBPdV_lOf28ed2lOLmw/s400/chaozu_01.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5425086166219803202" /></a><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />In daizenshuu 2 it is confirmed that Tenshinhan and Chaoz always used weighted <br />clothes<br />Here is the citation and the link to the kanzentai translations.<br />http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.php?m=04&id=grow_up#link<br /><br /><br />Vol. 42 / Chp. 517 <span style="font-weight:bold;">It seems that he(Chaozu who follows Tenshinhan orders and obviously Tenshinhan ) trains often in northern provinces, and in the mountains he wears heavy clothing.</span><br /><br />Also Daizenshuu 2 states that after the battle with Cell, he(Krillin) peacefully lives with No. 18 at Kame House. Even having a daughter now, he has thoroughly distanced himself from battle.<br /><br /> Vol. 36 / Chp. 426No longer training, his hair has grown out.<br /><br /><br />As you can see Krillin during 7 years didn't train anymore instead Tenshinhan trained always like an animal to become stronger(stated in Daizenshuu 7) during 7 years with weigths and some dumbasses want to convince us that Krillin<br />was stronger than Tenshinhan.lol<br />Tenshinhan was always stronger than Krillin ALWAYS!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />It seems someone got obliterated again!!!!!!<br /><br />However,there is always a problem to some pukes lol :<br />Dumb biased retarded statement:This isn't hinted in the manga !<br /><br />Answer:, you scroungy little fuck!!!!!<br />You piece of shit, little scumbag.You best unfuck yourself or I will unscrew<br />your head and shit down your neck next time.LMFAO!<br /><br /><br />So what if isn't hinted in the fucking manga, many other things explained by Akira Toriyama are not hinted in the manga, so you are saying that we should follow some brainless dumb biased theories made by some fanboys.Is that it?<br />Everyone knows that Akira Toriyma staff who wrote the daizenshuu under Toriyama's supervision knows nothing about dbz.lol<br />As you know Toriyama supervised and approved Daizenshuu,Akira even wrote some parts,but you know Akira is an idiot who can't read,therefore is better to follow some dumb baseless retarded assumptions made by fanboys taken from their asses than official information made by Toriyama's staff under his supervision and no Akira Toriyama never supervised<br />the anime .lol<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Kanzentai Translations<br /><br />DragonBall Daizenshuu 2 – Story Guide<br />View This Guidebook's Information Page<br /><br /><br />Toriyama Akira's Introduction<br /> <br />It seems that the second of the complete works is a "story edition". For me, who drew the manga in a hit-or-miss fashion, having it called a "story" is only embarrassing. Even so, I suppose that my job of thinking up the story was a little more fun than when I was drawing the pictures. Ah, but to speak frankly, the second half of the story was difficult because I somewhat overdid thinking it up. Though I did a good job continuing it like that... I think.<br /><br />– Toriyama Akira<br /> <br />Table of Contents<br /> <br />Before DragonBall 046,090 <br />Adventure History 047-089 <br />Personal History <br /> Chronological Table of Characters 108-109 <br /> Growing Up 110-133 <br /> Human Drama 134-154 <br /> Sub Characters 171-176 <br />Battle History <br /> Final Battle 180-201 <br /> Special Attacks 202-217 <br /> All Battles 218-242 <br />Toriyama Akira Super Interview - 2nd Round 261-265 <br />Shenron Times - 2nd Issue Insert Pamphlet <br /> <br />Translated Contents<br /> <br />Growing Up <br /><br />From a boy to an adult. From a child to a parent. In this long story, there are numerous characters that grew along with the flow of time. See the different steps of growth of the principle characters divided up into different eras.<br /><br /><br />SON GOKU<br />Infinite power that grows strong through fighting with strong guys!!<br />The biggest driving force behind Goku's growth is his fighting with strong guys. Furthermore, he continues to push himself to his limits by refusing to lose, no matter what kind of guy his opponent is. Because he trained with the sense of "I can't lose in a fight", Goku grew.<br /><br /><br />BOYHOOD<br />First Appears: Vol. 01-14<br /> His boyhood, where he held the Nyoibo in one hand and used the other for Janken, which he learned from his foster parent Son Gohan. He receives training as a good disciple of Kame-sennin, Karin-sama, as well as Kami-sama.<br /><br /> Vol. 01 / Chp. 008This was his best special move during his boyhood.<br /> Vol. 02 / Chp. 021He transforms when he looks at the moon.<br /> Vol. 02 / Chp. 022 & Vol. 05 / Chp. 051Goku as an Oozaru can destroy even a castle.<br /><br /><br />ADULTHOOD<br />First Appears: Vol. 14-22<br /> He trained for three years at the temple in order to defeat the revived Piccolo. Because Kami-sama permanently removed his tail, he can never become an Oozaru again.<br /><br /> Vol. 14 / Chp. 166His speed has increased through Kami-sama's training.<br /><br /><br />SUPER SAIYAN<br />First Appears: Vol. 27+<br /> The strongest warrior in the universe, with a calm heart, awakened through intense hatred. Gentle Goku's anger explodes when Krillin is killed by Freeza.<br /><br /> Vol. 27 / Chp. 317When Krillin is killed by Freeza, he transforms into a Super Saiyan.<br /><br /><br />SUPER SAIYAN FULL POWER<br />First Appears: Vol. 34+<br /> Goku trained in the Room of Spirit and Time before his fight with Cell. He draws out the power of the Super Saiyan to its limits, and the aura that surrounds him is different.<br /><br /> Vol. 33 / Chp. 387Goku decided that an unreasonable power-up was a disadvantage.<br /><br /><br />SUPER SAIYAN 2<br />First Appears: Vol. 38+<br /> A power-up he acquired through his training with Kaio-sama in the Other World. During his bout with Vegeta in the Buu arc, he transformed into this mode so that could put out his highest power.<br /><br /> Vol. 38 / Chp. 458Goku, taking up Vegeta's challenge.<br /> Vol. 38 / Chp. 458His strength blows away the ground with just a kick.<br /><br /><br />SUPER SAIYAN 3<br />First Appears: Vol. 40+<br /> In order to stop Majin Buu's massacre for a few minutes, Goku transformed into his strongest mode in order to stall for time. The energy consumption is intense, so on Earth he can only sustain it for a short time.<br /><br /> Vol. 40 / Chp. 473Saying the Super Saiyan 2 is useless, Goku brings out his trump card.<br /><br /><br />SUPER VEGETTO<br />First Appears: Vol. 42+<br /> The Super Saiyan version of "Vegetto", the result of Goku merging with Vegeta through the potara in order to oppose Majin Buu, who had absorbed many warriors. His power is greater than Super Saiyan 3.<br /><br /> Vol. 42 / Chp. 503Goku made Vegeta use the potara against his will.<br /> Vol. 42 / Chp. 503Vegetto immediately after the merge. He soon became Super Vegetto.<br /><br /><br /> SON GOHAN <br />Dormant power that knows no bottom, even though he was trained from infancy.<br />Gohan is an elite who easily handled the training he was put through since the age of four in order to fight enormous enemies. As a Saiyan and Earthling half-breed, Gohan possesses dormant power that surpasses that of a Saiyan. While by nature he has a calm personality and isn't interested in fighting, when he loses his reason his true power explodes.<br /><br /> EARLY CHILDHOOD / VOL. 17~28 <br /> Through Chi Chi's education, Gohan was raised to have a quiet personality (even with Goku around). Through Piccolo's special training, we begin to see his Saiyan heritage.<br /><br /> Vol. 18 / Chp. 208 & Vol. 20 / Chp. 240Gohan can also turn into an Oozaru.<br /><br /> BOYHOOD / VOL. 28~35 <br /> Hearing Trunks' message about the Artificial Humans, he trains with Goku and Piccolo for three years. His tail is still missing from the battle with Vegeta.<br /><br /> SUPER SAIYAN / VOL. 33+ <br /> Gohan acquires this from training with Goku in the Room of Spirit and Time in order to fight Cell. He trained by trying to live with Super Saiyan as his normal state.<br /><br /> Vol. 32 / Chp. 377Goku saw Gohan's hidden potential.<br /><br /> SUPER SAIYAN 2 / VOL. 34+ <br /> Gohan's form after his anger exploded due to Cell's cruel actions. That Gohan was able to reach this stage earlier than Goku proves how high his dormant power is.<br /><br /> Vol. 34 / Chp. 407The trigger was Cell killing No. 16.<br /><br /> HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT / VOL. 36~42 <br /> Many years after the battle with Cell, Gohan had become a high school student. Due to either Chi Chi's influence or him neglecting to train, his strength hadn't changed since he was a boy.<br /><br /> Vol. 36 / Chp. 422~424He went through a lot of trouble to conceal his power at high school.<br /> Vol. 36 / Chp. 423In order to conceal his identity, he consults Bulma.<br /> Vol. 36 / Chp. 424The clothes he wears when defeating evildoers. He calls himself "the Great Saiyaman".<br /> Vol. 36 / Chp. 426For use in the tournament, which prohibited helmets.<br /><br /> GOHAN OF A DIFFERENT FUTURE / VOL. 33 <br /><br /><br />In the world of the teenage Trunks, where Goku died of a heart virus, the only remaining warriors were Trunks and Gohan. Gohan even lost one of his arms. He could become Super Saiyan, but lost his life fighting the Artificial Humans.<br /> <br /> HIGH SCHOOL ERA SSJ 2 / VOL. 37 <br /><br /><br />During the Tenkaichi Budoukai he transforms at Kibito's request. Because he couldn't gain power from anger and because he hadn't been training, he doesn't have the same battle power as when he defeated Cell.<br /><br /> THE MIGHTIEST WARRIOR / VOL. 41 <br /><br /><br />In order to defeat Majin Buu, he had his dormant power drawn out by the Elder Kaioshin. Even without becoming a Super Saiyan, he has power surpassing Gotenks.<br /> <br /> FATHER / VOL. 42 <br /><br /><br />Ten years after the battle with Majin Buu, Gohan has followed his childhood dream and become a scholar. Having more enthusiasm for research than training, he is far removed from battle.<br /><br /><br /> SON GOTEN <br />A gifted child who mastered Super Saiyan at a young age.<br />By virtue of being Goku's son, Goten posses battle power not the least bit inferior to even Gohan. On top of being able to unleash a startling amount of power in even his normal state, he can easily transform into a Super Saiyan. Furthermore, he merges with Trunks through a technique known as Fusion.<br /><br /> CHILDHOOD / VOL. 36~42 <br /> Goten was raised without having a fighting instructor. He learned kumite, the basis of hand-to-hand combat, from Chi Chi, and had make-believe battles with Trunks.<br /><br /> Vol. 36 / Chp. 428Even with a ki blast that he fires with ease, the destructive power is outstanding.<br /><br /> SUPER SAIYAN / VOL. 36+ <br /> Goten has gigantic hidden power within his small body. Like Goku and Gohan, borrowing strength from his anger he can change into a Super Saiyan<br /><br /> Vol. 36 / Chp. 427Though he could become a Super Saiyan, Goten could not fly.<br /><br /> GOTENKS / VOL. 40+ <br /> The sole hope for defeating Majin Buu, Goten and Trunks' formation after they merged through Fusion. For some reason, his personality is very stuck-up, and he quickly developed a huge attitude.<br /><br /> Vol. 39 / Chp. 472They learned the Fusion technique from Goku.<br /> Vol. 40 / Chp. 480They got the Fusion pose wrong and failed.<br /><br /> SUPER SAIYAN GOTENKS / VOL. 40+ <br /> Initially they had to transform into Super Saiyans first and then perform Fusion, but through special training they became able to transform even after fusing.<br /><br /> Vol. 41 / Chp. 490Through a few days' training, Gotenks became super powered up.<br /> Vol. 41 / Chp. 493Even with the Earth in danger, Gotenks stubbornly persists in doing things at his own pace.<br /><br /> SUPER SAIYAN 3 GOTENKS / VOL. 41+ <br /> Gotenks' most powerful form. In a few days' training, the two of them learn Super Saiyan 3, which took Goku many years to do. This form possesses the ability to fight equally with Majin Buu.<br /><br /> Vol. 41 / Chp. 493As a Super Saiyan 3, he can open a hole in the dimension with just his voice.<br /><br /> YOUNG ADULTHOOD / VOL. 42 <br /> Ten years after the battle with Majin Buu, Goten had completely become a young man, and had changed his hair as well. Since peace had thrown off his training, power-wise he hasn't had any explosive growth since when he was a boy.<br /><br /><br /> ADULT TRUNKS <br />Encountering his father Vegeta makes him the savior of the future.<br />Because of his training with Gohan in the future world, adult Trunks could become a Super Saiyan. After training with Vegeta in the present world, he even mastered the second grade of Super Saiyan. However, he grew even more so emotionally, and returned to the future.<br /><br /> YOUNG ADULTHOOD / VOL. 28~35 <br /> He possesses tremendous battle power, cutting Freeza in half with a single slice, who had given Goku a difficult fight. However, being no match for the Artificial Humans, he goes to the present to train.<br /><br /> Vol. 28 / Chp. 331With the sword that he carries on his back, he cuts Freeza in half in a single slice.<br /><br /> SUPER SAIYAN SECOND GRADE / VOL. 32 <br /><br /><br />Training in the Room of Spirit and Time in order to defeat Cell, Trunks surpassed the Super Saiyan wall. Second Grade greatly amplifies his power.<br /> <br /> SUPER SAIYAN THIRD GRADE / VOL. 33 <br /><br /><br />His strongest form, which he acquired in order to oppose Cell in his perfect-form. It draws his power out to the limits, but sacrifices speed.<br /><br /> AFTER RETURNING TO THE FUTURE / VOL. 35 <br /><br /><br />Having grown enormously during the battle with Cell, Trunks returned to the future. In the future he blew away No. 17, No. 18, and then Cell, once again restoring peace.<br /><br /><br /> CHIBI TRUNKS <br />The death of his father Vegeta greatly changes his young heart.<br />A child prodigy who made Super Saiyan his own without having anyone teach him. Like Gohan and Goten, being half Saiyan and half Earthling, his dormant power is high. He can furthermore perform Fusion with Goten to transform into Gotenks. After peace came, he didn't train.<br /><br /> BABYHOOD / VOL. 28~35 <br /><br /><br />While Goku and the others were fighting the Artificial Humans, Bulma was at the battle grounds holding him in her arms. Even from this age, he was raised watching Super Saiyan level battles.<br /> <br /> BOYHOOD / VOL. 36~42 <br /><br /><br />Becoming old enough to fight, he received gifted education from Vegeta. Mastering the manipulation of ki, he can fire ki blasts.<br /><br /><br /> SUPER SAIYAN / VOL. 36+ <br /><br /><br />At this age he quickly acquires the ability to transform into a Super Saiyan. His astounding dormant power allows him to easily move around in the 150x gravity room that Vegeta used for training.<br /> <br /> GOTENKS / VOL. 40+ <br /><br /><br />To protect the Earth from Majin Buu, he merges with Goten through Fusion, which they learned from Goku. Gotenks is explained on page 118.<br /><br /><br /><br /> 10 YEARS LATER / VOL. 42 <br /><br /><br />Having fully become an adult, he is now at about the same age as adult Trunks. Since he doesn't train very often, he hasn't explosively powered up.<br /><br /><br /> PICCOLO <br />Going from Daimao to a warrior of the Earth, the ultimate Namekian.<br />Piccolo is a manifestation of the evil that Kami-sama expelled from his heart. After being reincarnated from Daimao, his evilness faded and he grew into a gifted martial artist. As a Namekian, Piccolo can fuse with other Namekians. During the second half of the series, he drastically powered up through these fusions.<br /><br /> DAIMAO ERA / VOL. 12~14 <br /> His Daimao era, when he pushed the limits of evil. His youth was restored through the dragonballs, but he was defeated by Goku.<br /><br /> CHILDHOOD / VOL. 14 <br /> Piccolo was reborn from the egg that Daimao left behind when he was on the verge of death. Despite just being born, he remembers all of Daimao's memories and techniques.<br /><br /> Vol. 14 / Chp. 161Just as Daimao birthed the demonic beings, he spits his child out of his mouth.<br /><br /> MA JUNIOR ERA / VOL. 14~25 <br /> In the three years from his birth until the Tenkaichi Budoukai, he trained vowing to defeat Goku. He levels up many times greater than Daimao, and also creates some new techniques.<br /><br /> Vol. 16 / Chp. 186Even after becoming gigantic, his speed doesn't decrease. He also has the ability to become even more gigantic.<br /><br /> ASSIMILATION WITH NAIL / VOL. 25~30 <br /> After training at Kaio-sama's, he assimilates with the dying Nail on Planet Namek. He obtained enough power to fight evenly with second-form Freeza.<br /><br /> Vol. 25 / Chp. 295Finding the heavily injured Nail, Piccolo is encouraged to assimilate with him.<br /><br /> FUSING WITH KAMI / VOL. 30~42 <br /> In order to oppose Cell, Kami-sama and Piccolo returned to being a single Namekian. His appearance hasn't changed from Piccolo, but he has achieved a super power-up.<br /><br /> Vol. 30 / Chp. 360Fearing the monster Cell, Kami-sama fuses with Piccolo.<br /><br /><br /> VEGETA <br />He becomes strong in order to defeat Son Goku.<br />Vegeta originally came to Earth seeking the dragonballs. He is very proud, perhaps because he was the prince of Planet Vegeta, and he burns with an abnormal rivalry toward Goku after Goku became stronger than him. With the objective of winning against Goku in battle, Vegeta grew through the harsh training he underwent for that goal.<br /><br /> INVASION ERA / VOL. 18~28 <br /> During this period he worked as one of Freeza's underlings and invaded numerous planets. As he battled Goku and Freeza's men, he rapidly powered up due to the Saiyans' special characteristics.<br /><br /> Vol. 17 / Chp. 204Hearing Piccolo and Raditz's conversation, they head towards Earth in order to gain eternal life and youth from the dragonballs.<br /> Vol. 20 / Chp. 232~233Creating a moon on his own, he transforms into an Oozaru while retaining his own mind.<br /><br /> STAYING ON EARTH ERA / VOL. 28~42 <br /> Returning from Planet Namek, he ended up living at Bulma's house. Vowing to defeat Goku, he trains in a gravity room developed by Dr. Brief.<br /><br /> Vol. 28 / Chp. 329Staying at Bulma's house, he even adapts to life on Earth.<br /><br /> SUPER SAIYAN / VOL. 29+ <br /> As he trained to defeat the Artificial Humans, he finally acquired the ability to become Super Saiyan. However, he was completely unable to scratch Artificial Humans No. 17 and No. 18.<br /><br /> Vol. 29 / Chp. 343Through anger at his own limits, he became a Super Saiyan.<br /><br /> SUPER SAIYAN SECOND GRADE / VOL. 32+ <br /> A Super Saiyan state he attained while training with Trunks in the Room of Spirit and Time. He posses power greater than Cell had after absorbing No. 17, and an uneven battle unfolded between them.<br /><br /> Vol. 32 / Chp. 375They looked for an even higher grade that surpassed Super Saiyan.<br /><br /> PRINCE OF DESTRUCTION / VOL. 38+ <br /> Vegeta knew that Goku was stronger than him, but through Babidi's magic he reached this powered up form. His battle power is enough to match Goku's Super Saiyan 2 form.<br /><br /> Vol. 38 / Chp. 456Willingly being manipulated by Babidi, he obtains power.<br /><br /><br /> BULMA <br />She changes from a spirited girl to a grown-up woman, and then into a gentle mother.<br />As the only daughter of Dr. Brief, the founder of Capsule Corporation, Bulma is a girl genius who understands everything about machines. Though she can't directly participate in battle like Goku can, she usually watches out for everyone from the shadows. In the middle of all that, she grew from going on adventures during her girlhood, to falling in love and having a child, to becoming a single mother.<br /><br /> SEARCH FOR THE DRAGONBALLS <br /><br /><br />Bulma when she first met Goku. Wanting to wish for a nice boyfriend, she was gathering the dragonballs.<br /> <br /> 23RD TENKAICHI BUDOUKAI <br /><br /><br />Bulma at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai. She has fully become a woman, and even wears makeup.<br /><br /><br /> SAIYAN ARC <br /> By the time the Saiyans came to Earth, she already gave off an adult ambience. She conducted research and other things at Capsule Corporation.<br /><br /> Vol. 18 / Chp. 209A genius when it comes to machines, she even remodels a Saiyan machine.<br /><br /> FREEZA ARC <br /> On Planet Namek, she faced many dangerous times thanks to Freeza and his men. With the spaceship broken, she spent the whole time hiding in caves and rock crevasses.<br /><br /> Vol. 21 / Chp. 244In these lines you can see that she has the self-confidence to describe herself as enticing.<br /><br /> ARTIFICIAL HUMANS ARC <br /><br /><br />Breaking up with Yamcha, she gives birth to Vegeta's child and becomes a mother. Even so, her personality remains completely unchanged, and she continues to be brimming with curiosity.<br /> <br /> HIGH SCHOOL ARC <br /><br /><br />She now tinkers with machines a lot, perhaps because she is more caught up in work now that Trunks has gotten bigger.<br /><br /><br /> MAJIN BUU ARC <br /><br /><br />She gives birth to her second child, Bra. Having gotten older, she can now be called an old lady. Her personality is as severe as always.<br /><br /><br /> <br /> OF A DIFFERENT FUTURE ~ CELL ARC <br /><br /><br />Living in a different future, this Bulma is the mother of adult Trunks. She develops the time machine and sends Trunks into the past. With Vegeta being dead, she does her best to raise her son on her own.<br /><br /> THE HISTORY OF BULMA'S HAIRSTYLES <br /><br />Chp. 001<br />Search for the Dragonballs arc <br />Chp. 004<br />Search for the Dragonballs arc <br />Chp. 006<br />Search for the Dragonballs arc <br />Chp. 016<br />Search for the Dragonballs arc <br />Chp. 035<br />21st Tenkaichi Budoukai arc<br /><br />Chp. 069<br />Red Ribbon<br />Army arc <br />Chp. 113<br />22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai arc <br />Chp. 197<br />Saiyan arc <br />Chp. 242<br />Saiyan arc <br />Chp. 243<br />Saiyan arc<br /><br />Chp. 245<br />Saiyan arc <br />Chp. 329<br />Freeza arc <br />Chp. 333<br />Freeza arc <br />Chp. 347<br />Artificial Humans arc <br />Chp. 426<br />High School arc<br /><br /><br /> KRILLIN <br />Participating in numerous battles, he becomes a strongest-class Earthling.<br />He was admitted as a pupil of Kame-sennin, and before that he trained at the Oorin Temple. Though he originally just wanted to be popular with girls, as he underwent the Kame-sen School training, the fighting potential that he naturally possessed began to appear. He goes through many things with Goku, and from the experience he gets from dangerous battles he learns a lot and grows enormously.<br /><br /> BOYHOOD / VOL. 03~14 <br /><br /><br />Capable of basic fighting due to his training at Oorin Temple, Krillin grows in bursts during his Kame-sen School training. He even easily passes through the preliminaries of the Tenkaichi Budoukai.<br /> <br /> YOUNG ADULTHOOD / VOL. 14~35 <br /><br /><br />Leaving Kame-sennin's place, Krillin becomes a traveling warrior. On Planet Namek, he has his dormant power drawn out by Saichourou.<br /><br /><br /><br /> FATHERHOOD / VOL. 36~42 <br /> After the battle with Cell, he peacefully lives with No. 18 at Kame House. Even having a daughter now, he has thoroughly distanced himself from battle.<br /><br /> Vol. 36 / Chp. 426No longer training, his hair has grown out.<br /> Vol. 42 / Chp. 518Krillin, ten years after the battle with Majin Buu. His hair has started to go white.<br /><br /><br /> YAMCHA <br />The Master of Rouga Fuu-Fuu Ken transforms from a bandit into a martial artist.<br />A bandit that met Bulma when she was searching for the dragonballs. At first he followed her because he wanted the dragonballs, but as they went through things together they became friends. After giving up banditry he began to live as a martial artist, training under Kame-sennin and Kami-sama.<br /><br /> BANDIT ERA / VOL. 01~02 <br /><br /><br />Using his original kenpou style, Rouga Fuu-Fuu Ken, he robbed travelers and the like. Falling in love with Bulma, he stays with her in West City.<br /><br /> <br /> KAME-SENNIN TRAINING ERA / VOL. 10~14 <br /><br /><br />After fighting at Uranai Baba's arena, he is accepted as a pupil of Kame-sennin. Rather than his self-taught style, he is built up again from the basics of martial arts.<br /><br /> TRAVELING WARRIOR / VOL. 14~35 <br /> Inspired by Goku training at Kami-sama's palace, Yamcha leaves Bulma behind and sets out to be a traveling warrior. Powering up his ki, he acquires many new techniques.<br /><br /> Vol. 18 / Chp. 214<br />Vol. 29 / Chp. 338Yamcha's hairstyle changed often.<br /><br /> RETIREMENT FROM MARTIAL ARTS / VOL. 36~42 <br /> Having fallen too far behind Goku and the others, as well as their enemies, Yamcha stops participating in battles. He still lives in West City with Puar.<br /><br /> Vol. 42 / Chp. 518His appearance ten years after the battle with Majin Buu. He hasn't aged too much.<br /><br /><br /> KAME-SENNIN <br />A comical old man who secretly carries enormous power.<br />Long ago, Kame-sennin made his name famous as a martial artist. Because he has lived many centuries and is now an old man, he doesn't grow a noticeable amount. However, he changes his appearance and appears numerous times throughout the story. Though he could be called elderly, his strength hasn't completely left him, and he is skillful enough to catch a gun's bullets in his hands.<br /><br /> MUTEN ROSHI / VOL. 01~42 <br /> Muten Roshi is Kame-sennin's true name. Long ago, his master was Mutaito, who sealed Piccolo Daimao, and he underwent numerous training.<br /><br /> MUTEN ROSHI FULL POWER / VOL. 2 <br /> When he fires a Kamehameha with all his might, Kame-sennin's body bulges out and becomes huge. He draws out all of the energy from throughout his body.<br /><br /> Vol. 02 / Chp. 014The effect of his full-power Kamehameha is tremendous!! It wipes out even a mountain.<br /><br /> JACKIE CHUN / VOL. 3+ <br /> His disguised form for when he enters the Tenkaichi Budoukai unbeknownst to Goku and the others. His objective was to disguise his identity and defeat his pupils so that they wouldn't become conceited with their own strength.<br /><br /> Vol. 05 / Chp. 051Being the same person as Muten Roshi, he likewise can reach full-power.<br /><br /> AFTER CHANGING SUNGLASSES / VOL. 42 <br /><br /><br />Having lived for many centuries, in ten years time Kame-sennin didn't change very much. Changing his sunglasses from round ones to narrow square ones, he increases his virility.<br /><br /><br /> TENSHINHAN <br />A lofty martial artist who aims for distant heights.<br />As a pupil of Tsuru-sennin, Tenshinhan aimed to be the greatest assassin in the world, but shaken by Kame-sennin's words in the end he followed his own road. Usually not interacting with his allies, he continues his journey of training with just Chaozu and rushes to the scene whenever anything happens.<br /><br /> TSURU-SENNIN PUPIL ERA / VOL. 10~12 <br /> Trained by Tsuru-sennin, he aimed to be an assassin like Tao Pai Pai. He possesses many types of techniques, and his speed is especially prominent.<br /><br /> TRAVELING WARRIOR ERA / VOL. 12~42 <br /> After the battle with Piccolo Daimao had ended, he began to live the life of a traveling warrior along with Chaozu. On a plot of land deep in the mountains, the two of them immerse themselves in training.<br /><br /> Vol. 31 / Chp. 373His techniques powered up as well.<br /> Vol. 41 / Chp. 501Even during the battle with Buu, he gallantly appears. He saves Dende.<br /><br /><br /> CHAOZU <br />A small psychic that immerses himself in training along with Tenshinhan.<br />Like Tenshinhan, he was a pupil of Tsuru-sennin and trained to be an assassin. After the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai, together with Tenshinhan he sets off as a wandering warrior. Unlike the other warriors, during battle he uses his psychic powers rather than kenpou to defeat his enemies.<br /><br /> TSURU-SENNIN PUPIL ERA / VOL. 10~12 <br /> In addition to having psychic powers that allow him to float in the air and stop his opponent's movement, he can easily use Tao Pai Pai's Dodonpa. However, his weakness is mathematics.<br /><br /> TRAVELING WARRIOR ERA / VOL. 13~42 <br /> Together with Tenshinhan, Chaozu set out as a traveling warrior. He continued to train as he passed through different places. With a bigger size and physique than he had as a pupil of Tsuru-sennin, you can see traces of growth.<br /><br /> Vol. 42 / Chp. 517It seems that he trains often in northern provinces, and in the mountains he wears heavy clothing.<br /><br /><br /> CHI CHI <br />A cute girl who marries and suddenly changes into an education mama!!<br />Chi Chi is the only daughter of Gyuumao and a stereotypical little princess. She gets Goku to fulfill the promise he made to marry her, which came about due to Goku's ignorance of the world. After marrying Goku and giving birth to Gohan, she completely changes into an education mama who excessively drills her son to study.<br /><br /> GIRLHOOD / VOL. 01~02 <br /> Still very young, she is intensely shy. Riding with Goku on the Kinto-Un on the way to Kame House, through an accident she decided in her heart to marry Goku.<br /><br /> GRAPPLER ERA / VOL. 14~17 <br /> Due to her father being Gyuumao, her ability at hand-to-hand combat is good. With a fighting style based on the Kame-sen School, her power is such that she easily breaks through the preliminaries of the Tenkaichi Budoukai.<br /><br /> Vol. 15 / Chp. 171Her techniques surprise even Goku.<br /><br /> MOTHERHOOD / VOL. 17~42 <br /> Upon marrying Goku and giving birth to Gohan, she immediately exhibits the signs of an education mama. She sends 4 year old Gohan to cram school, and has him due homework no matter where he goes.<br /><br /> Vol. 28 / Chp. 336Studying is more important than the world.<br /> Vol. 42 / Chp. 518Another ten years, and she's already a grandmother.<br /><br /><br /> GYUUMAO <br />From a terrifying emperor to a gentle grandfather.<br />Gyuumao, who guarded his castle's treasure, was such a roughneck that he was even mentioned in textbooks. However, after losing his castle and mountain, he reformed and lived peacefully with Chi Chi.<br /><br /> DEMONIC EMPEROR ERA / VOL. 01~02 <br /><br /><br />Killing those who came to Mt. Frypan aiming for his treasure, Gyuumao was highly notorious. After losing his castle, he settled down.<br /><br /> <br /> GRANDFATHER ERA / VOL. 18~42 <br />After the birth of his grandson Gohan, in contrast to Chi Chi he became much gentler. An understanding grandfather, he genially watches over his entire family.<br /><br /> Vol. 21 / Chp. 245A gentle grandfather who watches over his grandson.<br /> Vol. 42 / Chp. 517Even after the passing of many months and years, he doesn't change too much.<br /><br /><br /> MISTER SATAN <br />The world champion at hand-to-hand combat is also the world's greatest show-off?!<br />Satan was the only normal human among those who participated in the Cell Games. As the hand-to-hand combat champion of the world, he has skill, but it is obvious that Goku and the others are on an entirely different level. During the battle with Majin Buu, he had an active and important role, and showed himself to be a true savior.<br /><br /> WORLD GRAPPLING CHAMPION / VOL. 33~35 <br /><br /><br />The world champion at hand-to-hand combat among his fellow humans. Because on top of being an attention-seeker he is also overconfident, he severely misunderstands things. He is done in by Cell in a single strike.<br /><br /> <br /> TENKAICHI BUDOUKAI CHAMPION / VOL. 36~42 <br />After Cell died, Satan became a hero and won the Tenkaichi Budoukai. Now he has the prosperous life of a hero who saved the Earth.<br /><br /> Vol. 42 / Chp. 518Their son and daughter married and now they are related.<br /> Vol. 42 / Chp. 518His appearance ten years later.<br /><br /><br /> VIDEL <br />Satan's daughter surpasses him.<br />Videl is Satan's daughter and a master at hand-to-hand combat. Her sense of justice is strong, and she collaborates with the police in apprehending criminals. Ten years later she has married Gohan and devotes herself to being a mother.<br /><br /> GIRLHOOD / VOL. 36~42 <br /> Though she's Satan's daughter, she is a hard worker, completely the opposite of her father. Learning Bukujutsu from the exchange student Gohan, she masters it with astounding speed.<br /><br /> Vol. 36 / Chp. 428She cut her hair due to Gohan's blunt advice.<br /> Vol. 37/ Chp. 440At the Tenkaichi Budoukai she fought at a level beyond what you'd think a girl would be capable of.<br /><br /> MOTHERHOOD / VOL. 42 <br /> Ten years later she has married Gohan and given birth to a single daughter, Pan. Her forceful presence has disappeared, and she has become a gentle and cheerful mother.<br /> <br />Top of Page / Top of Content / Back to Kanzentai Translations<br />Staff Credits<br /> <br />構成 : キャラメル・ママ Organization : Caramel Mama<br />アートデイレクター : 田熊樹美 (フライハイト) Art Director : Takuma Jumi (Freiheit)<br /> <br />著者 : 鳥山 明 Author : Toriyama Akira<br />発行人 : 坂口紀和 Publisher : Sakaguchi Norikazu<br />編集人 : 渡辺彰則 Editor : Watanabe Akinori<br />発行所 : 株式会社集英社 Publishing House : Shueisha Co., Ltd.<br />印刷所 : 大日本印刷株式会社 Printing House : Dai Nippon Printing Co., Ltd.<br /> <br /><br />Layout & Images by: Hujio / English Translation by: HermsT.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-18880925919923644502009-11-08T07:00:00.000-08:002009-11-08T07:23:56.560-08:00Tenshinhan's tecniques explained in the DaizenshuuTenshinhan <br />Kamehameha [kamehameha] <br /><br />1-Deflection [~hanekaeshi]<br />2-Kiai Extinguisher [kiai keshi] <br />3-Ki Blast [kikouha] <br />Kikoho [kikouhou=”Ki Manipulation Cannon”] <br /><br />4-Shin~ [shin~; lt. “new”]<br />5-Beam Eyes [kousengan] <br />6-Shishin no Ken [shishin no ken; lt. “Four-Body Fist”] <br />7-Shiyouken [shiyou ken; lt. “Four-Arm Fist”] <br />8-Taiyo-ken [taiyou ken; lt. “Fist of the Sun”] <br />9-Dodonpa [dodon pa] <br />10-Haikyuuken [haikyuu ken; lt. “Volleyball Fist”] <br />11-Bukujutsu [bukuu jutsu] <br />12-Machinegun Thrust [mashingan-zuki] <br />13-Mafuuba [Mafuuba; lt. “Demon Seal Wave”]<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />1-<span style="font-weight:bold;"><br />Shishin no Ken [Fist of Four Bodies] </span><br />First Appearance: Chapter 178 <br />Category: combo <br />People: Tenshinhan <br />Special Characteristics: A technique that Tenshinhan used during his fight with Goku at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai. <span style="font-weight:bold;">Using the body-splitting abilities that are characteristic of the Three-Eyed People, he lunges into a combo attack.</span> He surrounds his opponent on four sides and fires ki blasts from his hands. Then, when his opponent jumps into the air to avoid the ki blasts, he fires a strange beam from his eyes. However, its weakness is that because he divided his power between four people, his attack power, defense power, and all the rest become 1/4th their usual. (Daizenshuu 2, p.208/Daizenshuu 4, p.69, p.115) <br /><br />2-<span style="font-weight:bold;">Shiyouken [Fist of Four Arms] </span><br />First Appearance: Chapter 132 <br />Category: special <br />People: Tenshinhan <br />Special Characteristics: A unique attack technique where he forms protuberances from his shoulder blades, which he then changes into arms. Tenshinhan is the only one capable of using this technique, which is largely related to the abilities he was born with. <span style="font-weight:bold;">In short, like the Shishin no Ken, this is also a technique that takes advantage of the special abilities of his ancestors, the Three-Eyed People.</span> Tenshinhan used this technique during his fight with Goku during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai. Unleashing an opening-free attack with his four arms, Goku wasn’t able to seize the opportunity to counterattack. (Daizenshuu 2, p.206/Daizenshuu 4, p.114)<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Kaio-Ken</span> <br />First Appearance: Chapter 226 <br />Category: ki manipulation <br />People: Son Goku <br />Special Characteristics: A technique that instantly amplifies the ki inside one’s body, multiplying all that person’s abilities, including power, speed, defense, etc. Since it makes one capable of utilizing battle power many times their own ability, it is extraordinarily effective during battles with formidable opponents. However, because it is impossible to multiply excessively far beyond one’s abilities, experimenting with an unreasonably high Kaio-Ken might destroy one’s own body. When the user’s battle power is 8,000, their limit is x2, and when they are at 3 million the limit is x10. However, since real battles are harsh, Goku often had to use Kaio-Ken above those limits. The Kaio-Ken’s designer is the North Kaio, but Goku was the first person to be able to master it. (Daizenshuu 2, p.212/ Daizenshuu 4, p.113) <br /><br /><br />3-<span style="font-weight:bold;">Kiai Extinguisher </span><br />First Appearance: Chapter 170 <br />Category: ki manipulation <br />People: Tenshinhan, Son Goku <br />Special Characteristics: A technique where you extinguish a ki manipulation-type attack merely by firing a kiai. Tenshinhan instantly extinguished the Super Dodon-pa that Tao Pai Pai fired at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai, and Goku did the same to Nappa’s ki blast.<br /><br /><br /><br />4-<span style="font-weight:bold;">Kikoho [Ki Manipulation Cannon] </span><br />First Appearance: Chapter 133 <br />Category: ki manipulation <br />People: Tenshinhan <br />Special Characteristics: The secret weapon of the Tsuru-sen School. It concentrates a kiai into one point, then releases it in a single burst. Its main difference between ki blast-type techniques is that its trajectory cannot be seen. Its destructive power is formidable enough to instantly obliterate the Tenkaichi Budoukai arena. Indeed, it is characteristic of the techniques from the Tsuru-sen School, whose objective is to mercilessly kill people. Because this technique heavily uses up one’s internal energy, it can only be used to decide the match in a single shot. (Daizenshuu 2, p.206/Daizenshuu 4, p.111)<br /><br /><br />5- <span style="font-weight:bold;">Shin~ [New~]</span> <br />First Appearance: Chapter 373 <br />People: Tenshinhan <br />Special Characteristics: A technique that increases the force of the Kikoho. An attack that becomes possible when one has improved their abilities through intense training. Tenshinhan fired this technique to stop Cell from moving when Cell was trying to absorb No.18, but he used up all of his power and collapsed. (Daizenshuu 4, p.112)<br /><br /><br />6- <span style="font-weight:bold;">Kamehameha </span><br />First Appearance: Chapter 14 <br />Category: ki manipulation <br />People: Kame-sennin, Son Goku, Son Gohan, Yamcha, Jacky Chun, Krillin, Son Gohan (grandpa), Tenshinhan, Cell, Majin Buu (good, evil, pure) <br />Special Characteristics: A ki manipulation technique thought up by Kame-sennin. It is a technique that condenses ki into one point and then fires it. The technique’s force changes based on the strength of its user’s ki, and if mastered it also becomes possible to control its force. Son Goku soon picked up this technique, perhaps because of his ki training with Son Gohan (grandpa), or perhaps due to his special characteristics as a Saiya-jin. Tenshinhan also easily copied it. From this, it can be said that it is possible to use the Kamehameha merely by being able to control one’s ki. (Daizenshuu 2, p.202/Daizenshuu 4, p.111) <br />Anime: The first person to use it in the movies is Kame-sennin in “The Legend of Shenron”. Goku picked it up after seeing Kame-sennin’s technique (Daizenshuu 6, p.16). In “A Dangerous Pair!! Super Warriors Can’t Rest”, Goku, Gohan, and Goten implement a three-person Father-Son Kamehameha. It obliterated the formidable enemy Broli (Daizenshuu 6, p.124). In “The Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta”, a fake Goku that appeared in Janenba’s hand fired one (Daizenshuu 6, p.142).<br /><br /><br /><br />7- <span style="font-weight:bold;">Deflection</span> <br />First Appearance: Chapter 118 <br />People: Tenshinhan <br />Special Characteristics: A technique where by judging the timing of a Kamehameha’s approach, he fires a kiai to deflect the Kamehameha back at his opponent. He used this on Yamcha’s Kamehameha during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />8- <span style="font-weight:bold;">Kousengan(beam eyes)</span><br />First Appearance: Chapter 149 <br />Category: ability <br />People: Piccolo Daimao, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Freeza, <br />Special Characteristics: They attack their opponents by firing a destructive beam from both eyes with a sharp glance. Its force is in proportion to the user’s power. It’s an attack that takes advantage of innate abilities. <br /><br />9- <span style="font-weight:bold;">Taiyou-Ken [Fist of the Sun]</span> <br />First Appearance: Chapter 124 <br />Category: ki manipulation <br />People: Tenshinhan, Krillin, Son Goku, Cell <br />Special Characteristics: A Tsuru-sen School technique. Tenshinhan first used it during his fight with Goku at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai [he actually first uses it against Jacky Chun]. Gathering ki in his upper body, he converts it to light energy and radiates it out in front of his face. Blinding the opponent’s eyes, this is used when retreating from battle. The amount of light is connected to the strength of the person’s ki, and the light source will become stronger the more ki the user has. The first person from outside the Tsuru-sen School to use this technique was Goku. (Daizenshuu 4, p.113) <br /><br /><br /><br />10- <span style="font-weight:bold;">Dodonpa </span><br />First Appearance: Chapter 86 <br />Category: ki manipulation <br />People: Tao Pai Pai, Chaozu, Tenshinhan <br />Special Characteristics: A Tsuru-sen School assassination secret weapon thought up by Tsuru-sennin. Concentrating ki in their fingertips, with a cry of “Dodon-pa!!”, they fire a thin, sharp, arrow-like ki at the opponent, inflicting damage. In order to be certain to kill the opponent in one hit, it is fired to aim at vital spots such as the heart. However, its attack range isn’t as wide as the Kamehameha, and a person with a high battle rating can stop this technique with the palm of their hands. During their battle in the Karin Holy Land where the dragonballs were, Tao Pai Pai knocked Son Goku out with this technique. (Daizenshuu 2, p.205) <br /><br /><br /><br />11- <span style="font-weight:bold;">Haikyuu-Ken [Volleyball Fist] </span><br />First Appearance: Chapter 129 <br />Category: physical martial arts <br />People: Tenshinhan <br />Special Characteristics: A technique held in reserve to finish off opponents that have taken a fair amount of damage. True to its name’s origin [“Volleyball Fist”], he commences a three stage attack that imitates volleyball. It’s a fearsome combo attack: tossing his opponent high in the air, just as they come down he punches them for a receive. Next, he hits them with an intense two-fisted strike, knocking them down for a toss. Finally, he does an attack, jumping into the air and hitting the opponent snapshot, knocking them into the ground. He displayed it at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai. (Daizenshuu 2, p.206) <br /><br />12- <span style="font-weight:bold;">Bukujutsu </span><br />First Appearance: Chapter 119 <br />Category: ki manipulation <br />People: Krillin, Son Goku, Son Gohan, Son Goten, Chaozu, Tenshinhan, Videl, others <br />Special Characteristics: As a unique technique of the Tsuru-sen School, it seems that Tsuru-sennin is the one who thought it up. By emitting ki from the entire body, one moves as if fluttering through the air. It’s a basic ki manipulation technique, on par with the ki blast. Like Videl, anyone can do it merely be learning how to use ki. Also, Krillin and Goku learned this technique through self study. The speed the user moves through the air with Bukujutsu is related to their level of skill and the extent of their ki. Those aliens who can fly, such as Piccolo, move through the sky using the same principle as Bukujutsu. Kame-sennin never used this technique, perhaps because he had Kinto-un and Baby Gamera. (Daizenshuu 4, p.113) <br /><br /><br />13- <span style="font-weight:bold;">Mashingan-zuki(Machinegun Thrust)</span> <br />First Appearance: Chapter 128 <br />Category: physical martial arts <br />People: Tenshinhan <br />Special Characteristics: A technique where he unleashes a stream of jabs, similar to how a machinegun fires bullets. Those attacked are not given any time to defend themselves. During the finals of the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai, he drove Goku into a nasty predicament. <br /><br />14- <span style="font-weight:bold;">Mafuuba [Demon Seal Wave] </span><br />First Appearance: Chapter 135 <br />Category: special <br />People: Kami, Kame-sennin, Tenshinhan, Mutaito <br />Special Characteristics: A secret art which Kame-sennin’s master, Mutaito, devised in order to seal up Piccolo Daimao, the incarnation of evil. Firing all one’s life energy from the palm of your hands, this creates a violent, spiraling wind which draws in the opponent, sealing them like this into an airtight container affixed with magic charms. A normal person will perish when they use this secret art. Kame-sennin fired it at the revived Piccolo Daimao in exchange for his own life, but it ultimately failed. (Daizenshuu 2, p.207/Daizenshuu 4, p.113)<br /><br /><br />Credit goes to hermsT.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-8602211922770178762009-11-07T06:15:00.000-08:002009-12-23T11:57:29.876-08:00Dragon ball Z/Akira Toriyama's battle power definition and FAQToriyama's answer about battle powers in an interview!!!!<br /><br />What’s the secret of winning in battle? <br /><br />Akira Toriyama:"When it comes to battle, the most important thing is <span style="font-weight:bold;">KI SIZE</span>, and its <span style="font-weight:bold;">control</span>. Of course, <span style="font-weight:bold;">“ki”</span> also includes such <span style="font-weight:bold;">spiritual power</span> as <span style="font-weight:bold;">energy/vigor [genki] and bravery [yuuki], and being in one’s right mind [shouki] </span>(note 11). There’s a limit to physical strength, no matter how much you toughen it up, and the only way to overcome that it is with “ki”. I think that it was through turning ki into formidable power that Goku drew closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe"<br /><br />KIKOHO HAS ALL THESE THINGS<br />If it doesn't come from Tenshinhan's ki, then where does it come from? There is no external source for any of these ki attacks<br />The fact is, Kikouhou is focusing your ki directly into your hands, and releasing it. To use all of your ki would kill you (as seen in the Nappa battle), but Tenshinhan is able to control it so that he doesn't use up 100%, especially come Shinkikouhou. That's why it's dangerous because of its power; "its power" is caused by the fact that it uses up a great deal of ki, and your ki is your spirit force/etc.<br /> Kamehameha is not shown to be capable of using up such large fractions of the user's ki, and thusly does not do as much proportional damage.<br />It is entirely feasible that one of his Kikouhou could be more powerful than a single attack from Piccolo or Gokuu, because neither of them possess techniques that can use such a high percentage of their power at once.<br /><br />Goku had already taken out his weight clothing by that point, and, as shown in the battle against Radtiz, besides special moves, that's the only thing which change DB Goku power level<br />Besides everything else, there's the simple fact that the Kikoho is only powerful because most of Tenshinhan's ki is used to fuel it. However, The kikoho that Tenshinhan used against Buu didn't make Tenshihan die[VS Nappa], fall uncouncious[VS Cell], or even get tired[VS Budokai Arena... er... Goku]. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Tenshinhan IN THE MANGA ABOUT GOKU FIGHTING FREEZA AND THE USE OF KAIÔKEN: "At his level of training, he should be able to multiply his power up to a factor of 10!" <br /><br />Tenshinhan sees Goku's max without straining himself to be a factor of 10, and again reiterates that the Kaio-ken still multiplies by folds.<br /><br />Goku: "I...I could try a Kaio-ken increase to 20 times...but I don't know if my body can handle it..."<br />As goku got stronger he could multiply his own power more.<br />Goku at 8,000 could only do 4x at best<br />Goku at around 3 millions could do 20x<br />Yet you couldn't possibly think goku at around 100,000 could do 20x or in Tenshinhan's case 10,000x.<br /><br />So the stronger you have Tenshinhan, the more the neo kikoho multiplier makes sense.<br /><br />Tenshinhan saying he is going to use KaiôKen's techniques isn't good enough?<br /> He has to both say he's going to use them. Then mention it 10 other times. Then yell Kaioken when he uses the attack. Then explain to Cell that the Neo Kikoho uses Kaioken-esk skills. Then write "I'm using King Kai's fucking Techniques' all over his muscular body, before some biased fanboys admit it?<br />The Neo Kikoho has no psychic energy in it. The name meaning itself has no mentioning of granting the user power to push or hold back foes 10,000x stronger than yourself. It's a pure destructive power force that's all coming from Tenshinhan. <br /><br />And actually the kikoho can be used as proof of something. For Tenshinhan to be as weak as some of you biased retards put him, maybe even weaker than captain ginyu...lol He shouldn't be able to output 10,000x his strength 10 times in a row at all and make semi-perfect cell drool in an inescapable pit. <br />I couldn't even deal with Tenshinhan pulling off a lucky one tri-beam without going boom...but around ten times each over 10,000x his normal power??! loooool<br /><br />If you use the theory of life force (which is denied by the manga)... Then shouldn't self destructing also amp you're attack around 10,000x you're natural strength?<br />For Tenshin to be under 1,000,000 and expel an attack 10,000x his strength 10 times is far more unbelievable than thinking Tenshinhan was indeed much over a million just training on earth under Sensei Kaiô training methods for 3 years. <br /><br />Toriyama disregards fanboyism over what his plot is calls for. You can clearly see this by how humans can be over 3 times more powerful in under a year when training in urgency in the saiyan saga. How is it not more believable that humans can gain this growth when training in urgency for 3 years? Thinking humans are bound by this "human wall" really is a dumb assumption. Humans have broken this wall as early as dragon ball times. They shouldn't even be called human anymore. More like super human. So comparing their growth to at least half what a saiyan's growth gain would be (without zenkai) isn't wrong at all.<br /><br />Agree that Tenshinhan shouldn't be "logically" be anywhere in the millions because he's only a human and is not a saiyan nor a namekian warrior. But you guys have to remember ...humans have broken this "human wall" as early as db times. Looking at krillin because he's a human when he first made his appearance in dragonball you'd never think he'd be as strong as he is now. Plus tenshinhan has alien blood making him in a league of his own.<br /><br />Someone is going to have to give a good explanation how Tenshinhan can do a feat that android 16 couldn't even dream of doing. Being at a power level less than 100,000 as some of you retards put him and using the neo tri-beam to expel an attack 10,000x his normal strength in continuous rains of 10 times without blowing up or dying of fatigue after the first strike, simply isn't possible at all.<br />Think about it this way. <span style="font-weight:bold;">Each energy attack in Dragon Ball uses a proportionally-fixed amount of the user's "ki". <br /></span><br />If Goku has 1000 "ki points", then "Kamehameha" allows him to direct 1% of his total "ki", or 10 "ki points" <br /><br />If Tenshinhan has 100 "ki points", then "Kikoho" allows him to direct 25% of his total "ki", or 25 "ki points" <br /><br />Goku would still have more energy than Tenshinhan and more physical strength because of his higher "ki rating", but Tenshinhan can direct more energy at once using the "Kikoho". <br /><br /><br /><br />Question:<br />The power of the Kikoho isn't derived from the users power, rather it multiplies its power and uses the users lifeforce. If it was Ten's own power, that would mean Ten > Artificial Human 16 +Piccolo +#17+#18 etc<br /><br />Answer:Are you fucking retarded??????????????????????There is no life force involved according to the precious manga.Furthermore,using Toriyama definition of battle power:<br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">When it comes to battle, the most important thing is ki size, and its control. Of course, “ki” also includes such spiritual power as energy/vigor [genki] and bravery [yuuki], and being in one’s right mind [shouki] (note 11). There’s a limit to physical strength, no matter how much you toughen it up, and the only way to overcome that it is with “ki”. I think that it was through turning ki into formidable power that Goku drew closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe.</span><br /><br /><br />Kikoho means ki size and control,all these things are represented by Shin Kikoho.loooooool<br />Where is it stated that the "Kikoho" technique "multiplies" the power of the user? <span style="font-weight:bold;">The attack draws energy from the hidden potential</span> (similar to the "Kamehameha") and spiritual force of the user, which would mean that it's -still- using Tenshinhan's own power -- it's just ultimately fatal if overused.<br />Meaning that Tenshinhan's hidden potential would be at least in the range of a supressed semi-perfect Cell,considering that Shin Kikoho holds Cell in that form.<br /><br />Original translation from the original japanese manga who proves there isn't life force involved:<br />Kame Sennin "...The "Chi Cannon"... a move of enormous destructive force... many times more powerful than even a Kamehameha... its power is so colossal, in fact, that the drain on one's own energy is devastating... warriors have been known to die by using it... and even if one survives, one's life is shortened... that evil Tsuru-sen'nin... teaching him a move that should be never taught...<br /><br />"It's a technique with the potential for incredible destructive energy*... Several times more than even the Kamehameha..."<br /><br />*Nothing about pushing back the opponent. Hakairyoku is a pretty straightforward word (destructive energy/power). You cannot get the idea that the Kikoho is a mere pusing attack from this text.<br /><br /><br />Some biased retarded fans forget to mention that it's power comes from Tenshinhan's ki. It is a strong attack, but it's strength comes from his ki. Also, notice that that doesn't mean that Cell Saga Tenshinhan > Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, A-16, A-17, A-18 etc. It means that Tenshinhan can fire ten blasts which are stronger than anything those people can make and fall unconscious. <br /><br />But remember that it's still his ki, and... points to Nappa's fight... Using the kikoho(which can't be that much worse than the shin kikoho, Goku even calls that new attack only kikoho) with all his ki in one blast Tenshinhan only stops Nappa's movement, and dies. This is a worse result than the one from the blasts against Cell and he used all his ki in one blast, instead of few blasts.<br />Tenshinhan also doesn't looks tired after using Kikoho to deflect Buutensks energy blast.<br /><br />And before "Super" Buu kicked Tenshinhan he thought to himself "Hey, normally I just whack people with my full strength since I'm evil, but I'm only going to hit -this- guy lightly doing my hardest to not kill him since he's such an attractive man."lol<br />However,0,00001 of Super Buutenks power was above a 50% freeza.lol<br /><br /><br /><br />Tenshinhan also dodges a laser that even base Goku had trouble with, and keeps up with Piccolo(to an extent) who is in the megamillions. Thats proof right there, that Tenshinhan is not /10000th of Piccolo's power. a PL: 50,000 can’t dodge with the same ability as a PL: 10,000,000+<br />Piccolo flew at top speed to assist Trunks against A-18. Tenshinhan followed, also at top speed with a fuzzy aura. By some retard levels, Piccolo should have reached A-17 before Tenshinhan even left the ground. As it is, Piccolo was about 2-5 times faster at most, probably even less.<br />Another evident point is that if Gero is 30,000,000 and Yamcha is 2,000,000 then Gero becomes considerably stronger(6.6%) from absorbing him. If Gero is 30,000,000 and Yamcha is 50,000 then Gero becomes fuck(+0.16%) all stronger. Since Gero said that Yamcha is a good source of power, and not a useless and pathetic source of power,it is obvious he would eb in the millions.<br /><br />Alongside with Piccolo and Tenshinhan Goku said to A-20:<br />“…We’ll tear you to pieces…” and all of them were in battle stances.<br /><br /><br />dumb question: Vegeta in SSJ form deflects kikoha blast from Boo. Whats your point?<br /><br /><br />Answer:So you're implying that the difference between Tenshinhan and "Super" Buu (+ Gotenks and Piccolo) is the same as the difference between Super Saiya-jin Vegeta and a less powerful form of Majin Buu? That would mean that Tenshinhan is ridiculously strong and wouldn't help the position you've advocated thus far, so I'm going to assume you just didn't understand what you were saying.looool<br />Finally,future base gohan is owning easily young super sayajin Trunks<br />which means base sayajins were above 150 millions.Get over it fucking retards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!loooooooooooooooool<br /><br /><br />Concluding, according to Toriyama battle power definition Tenshinhan's battle power was certainly and easily in the mid millions.T.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-67543172011526505692009-10-21T10:59:00.000-07:002009-10-21T11:17:49.335-07:00Ages of the charactersLater I'll make a post listing all these birth years that I used to make this.<br /><br />Pre-DragonBall<br />Piccolo Daimao’s Rampage; Age 461<br />Kame-sennin: 31<br />Tsuru-sennin: 31? (presumably about as old as Kame-sennin)<br />Tao Pai Pai: 2<br />Uranai Baba: Over 211 (began divining in Age 250)<br />Piccolo Daimao: 0<br />Kami-sama: A little over 200 (presumably not very old when the disaster on Namek occurred in 261)<br />Karin-sama: About 511<br /><br />Dracula Man: 285<br />Mummy-kun: 511<br /><br />Sea Turtle: 698<br /><br />Destruction of Planet Vegeta; Age 737<br />Goku: 0<br />Vegeta: 5<br />Nappa: 25-34<br />Raditz: 10-20?<br />Grandpa Gohan: 79<br /><br />Bulma, Yamcha, Tenshinhan: 4<br />Kuririn: 1<br />Yajirobe: 2<br /><br />Main Series (DragonBall)<br />Search for the DragonBalls; Age 749<br />Goku: 12<br />Bulma: 16<br />Sea Turtle: 986 (according to anime)<br />Kame-sennin: 319<br />Oolong: 9<br />Yamcha: 16<br />Puar: 9<br />Chi Chi: 12<br />Toninjinka (Rabbit Gang boss): 51<br />Pilaf: 34<br />Shenlong: 279<br /><br />Vegeta: 17<br /><br />The 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai and the Red Ribbon Army; Age 750<br />Goku: 13<br />Kuririn: 14<br />Jacky Chun/Kame-sennin: 320<br />Giran: 33<br />Ran-Fan: 24<br />Namu: 29<br />Yamcha: 17<br /><br />Bulma: 17<br />Oolong: 10<br />Puar: 10<br /><br />Sno: 10<br />Murasaki: 35<br />Blue: 28<br /><br />Arale Norimaki: 5 (posing as 18-year old)<br />Senbei Norimaki: 28<br />Midori Norimaki: 23<br />Turbo Norimaki: 1<br />Tsuru-rin Tsun: 20<br />Tsuku-tsun Tsun: 18<br />Tarou Soramame: 20<br />Pisuke Soramame: 18<br />Akane Kimidori: 18<br />Oboccha Man: 3 (posing as 18-year old)<br /><br />Tao Pai Pai: 291<br />Karin-sama: About 800<br /><br />Uranai Baba: Over 500<br />Dracula Man: 574<br />Mummy-kun: 800<br />Grandpa Gohan: 92 (but stopped aging when he died)<br /><br />Pilaf: 35<br />Shenlong: 280<br /><br />The 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai and Piccolo Daimao; Age 753<br />Goku: 16<br />Kuririn: 17<br />Yamcha: 20<br />Jacky Chun/Kame-sennin: 323<br />Tenshinhan: 20<br />Chaozu: 15<br />Man-Wolf: 34<br />King Chapa: 43<br /><br />Bulma: 20<br />Oolong: 13<br />Puar: 13<br /><br />Tsuru-sennin: 323?<br /><br />Pilaf: 38<br />Piccolo Daimao: 292<br />King: Over 40? (been reigning for 20 years, presumably not less than 20 when he took throne)<br />Yajirobe: 18<br /><br />Karin-sama: Over 800<br />Mister Popo: Over 1000<br />Kami-sama: Around 492<br />Shenlong: 283<br /><br />The 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai; Age 756<br />Goku: 19<br />Kuririn: 20<br />Yamcha: 23<br />Tenshinhan: 23<br />Chi Chi: 19<br />Tao Pai Pai: 297<br />Shen/Kami-sama: 495<br />Ma Junior: 3<br /><br />King Chapa: 46<br />Yajirobe: 21<br />Chaozu: 18<br /><br />Bulma: 23<br />Oolong: 16<br />Puar: 16<br />Kame-sennin: 326<br />Tsuru-sennin: 326?<br /><br />"Z" Era<br />Raditz Invades; Age 761<br />Goku: 24<br />Gohan: 4<br />Piccolo: 8<br />Kuririn: 25<br />Yamcha: 28<br /><br />Tenshinhan: 28<br />Yajirobe: 26<br />Chaozu: 23<br /><br />Bulma: 28<br />Chi Chi: 24<br />Oolong: 21<br />Puar: 21<br />Kame-sennin: 331<br />Kami-sama: 500<br /><br />Raditz: 35-45?<br />Nappa: 49-58<br />Vegeta: 29<br /><br />The Battles with Vegeta and Freeza; Age 762<br />Goku: 25 (physically still 24)<br />Gohan: 5<br />Piccolo: 9<br />Kuririn: 26<br />Yamcha: 29<br />Tenshinhan: 29<br />Yajirobe: 27<br />Chaozu: 24<br /><br />Bulma: 29<br />Chi Chi: 25<br />Oolong: 22<br />Puar: 22<br />Kame-sennin: 332<br />Kami-sama: 501<br />Shenlong: 292<br /><br />Nappa: 50-59<br />Vegeta: 30<br /><br />Saichourou: Over 500<br /><br />Garlick Jr Returns; Age 763<br />Gohan: 6<br />Sea Turtle: 1000<br /><br />Trunks Appears; Age 764<br />Goku: 27 (physically 26)<br />Gohan: 7<br />Vegeta: 32<br />Piccolo: 11<br /><br />Kuririn: 28<br />Yamcha: 31<br />Tenshinhan: 31<br />Yajirobe: 29<br />Chaozu: 26<br /><br />Bulma: 31<br />Chi Chi: 27<br />Oolong: 24<br />Puar: 24<br />Kame-sennin: 334<br />Kami-sama: 503<br />Shenlong: 294<br /><br />Trunks: 17<br /><br />The Androids and Cell Games; Age 767<br />Goku: 30; physically 29 at first, but physically 30 after training in the Room of Spirit and Time<br />Gohan: 10; physically 11 at the Cell Games<br />Vegeta: 35; physically 36 when Cell reaches his perfect form, and 37 at the Cell Games<br />Trunks (future): 19; physically 20 when Cell reaches his perfect form, and 21 at the Cell Games<br />Piccolo: 14; physically 15 at the Cell Games<br /><br />Kuririn: 31<br />Yamcha: 34<br />Tenshinhan: 34<br />Yajirobe: 32<br />Chaozu: 29<br /><br />Bulma: 34<br />Chi Chi: 30<br />Trunks (present): 1<br />Oolong: 27<br />Puar: 27<br />Kame-sennin: 337<br /><br />Kami-sama: 506<br />Shenlong: 297<br /><br />Mister Satan: 31<br /><br />Cell: 6 (30, counting years in development)<br /><br />The 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai and Majin Buu; Age 774<br />Goku: 37 (physically 30)<br />Gohan: 17 (physically 18)<br />Vegeta: 42 (physically 44)<br />Trunks (present): 8<br />Goten: 7<br /><br />Mister Satan: 38<br />Videl: 17 or 18<br />Erasa: 18<br />Sharpna: 18<br /><br />Idasa: 15<br />Ikose: 14<br /><br />Piccolo: 21 (physically 22)<br />Kuririn: 38<br />Yamcha: 41<br />Tenshinhan: 41<br />Yajirobe: 39<br />Chaozu: 36<br /><br />Bulma: 41<br />Chi Chi: 37<br />Oolong: 34<br />Puar: 34<br />Marron: 3<br />Kame-sennin: 344<br />Shenlong: 304<br />Sno: 34<br /><br />East Kaioshin: Over 5 million<br />Kibito: Over 5 million<br />Elder Kaioshin: Over 75 million<br /><br />Babidi: Over 5 million<br />Dabra: Over 300 years (probably far older)<br />Majin Buu: 5 million<br /><br />Tarble Comes to Earth; Age 776<br />Goku: 39 (physically 32)<br />Gohan: 19 (physically 20)<br />Vegeta: 44 (physically 46)<br />Trunks (present): 10<br />Goten: 9<br /><br />Videl: 19 or 20<br />Mister Satan: 40<br />Mister Buu: 5 million<br /><br />Piccolo: 23 (physically 24)<br />Kuririn: 40<br />Yamcha: 43<br />Tenshinhan: 43<br />Yajirobe: 41<br />Chaozu: 38<br /><br />Bulma: 43<br />Chi Chi: 39<br />Oolong: 36<br />Puar: 36<br />Marron: 5<br />Kame-sennin: 346<br /><br />East Kaioshin: Over 5 million<br />Elder Kaioshin: Over 75 million<br /><br />Tarble: 39? (he can't be any younger than Goku...)<br /><br />The 28th Tenkaichi Budoukai; Age 784<br />Goku: 47 (physically 40)<br />Gohan: 27 (physically 28)<br />Vegeta: 52 (physically 54)<br />Trunks (present): 18<br />Goten: 17<br /><br />Videl: 27 or 28<br />Mister Satan: 48<br />Mister Buu: 5 million<br /><br />Piccolo: 31 (physically 32)<br />Kuririn: 48<br />Yamcha: 51<br />Tenshinhan: 51<br />Yajirobe: 49<br />Chaozu: 46<br /><br />Bulma: 51<br />Chi Chi: 47<br />Oolong: 44<br />Puar: 44<br />Marron: 13<br />Kame-sennin: 354<br /><br />Pan: 5<br />Bra: 4 or 6<br />Uub: 10<br /><br />Future Trunks’ Timeline<br />The Androids Kill Everyone; Age 767<br />Gohan: 10<br />Trunks: 1<br />Bulma: 34<br /><br />Gohan Dies; Age 780<br />Gohan: 23<br />Trunks: 14<br />Bulma: 47<br /><br />The Time Machine is Completed; Age 783<br />Trunks: 17<br />Bulma: 50<br /><br />Trunks Defeats the Androids; Age 785<br />Trunks: 19 (physically 21)<br />Bulma: 52<br /><br />Trunks defeats Cell; Age 788<br />Trunks: 22 (physically 24)<br />Bulma: 55<br />Cell: 2 (26 counting years in development)<br /><br />GT<br />The Search for the Ultimate DragonBalls and the Battle with Baby; Age 789<br />Goku: 52 (physically 45); reduced to physically 12 or so<br />Gohan: 32 (physically 33)<br />Vegeta: 57 (physically 59)<br />Trunks (present): 23<br />Goten: 22<br /><br />Videl: 32 or 33<br />Mister Satan: 53<br />Mister Buu: 5 million<br /><br />Piccolo: 36 (physically 37)<br />Kuririn: 53<br />Yamcha: 56<br />Tenshinhan: 56<br />Yajirobe: 54<br />Chaozu: 51<br /><br />Bulma: 56<br />Chi Chi: 52<br />Oolong: 49<br />Puar: 49<br />Marron: 18<br />Kame-sennin: 359<br /><br />Pan: 10<br />Bra: 9 or 11<br />Uub: 15<br /><br />East Kaioshin: Over 5 million<br />Elder Kaioshin: Over 75 million<br /><br />Pilaf: 74<br />Namu: 68<br /><br />Doctor Mu: 49<br />Baby: 59-69<br /><br />The Battle with Super No.17 and the Evil Dragons; Age 790<br />Goku: 53 (physically 13 or so)<br />Gohan: 33 (physically 34)<br />Vegeta: 58 (physically 60)<br />Trunks (present): 24<br />Goten: 23<br /><br />Videl: 33 or 34<br />Mister Satan: 54<br />Mister Buu: 5 million<br /><br />Piccolo: 37 (physically 38)<br />Kuririn: 54<br />Yamcha: 57<br />Tenshinhan: 57<br />Yajirobe: 55<br />Chaozu: 52<br /><br />Bulma: 57<br />Chi Chi: 53<br />Oolong: 50<br />Puar: 50<br />Marron: 19<br />Kame-sennin: 360<br /><br />Pan: 11<br />Bra: 10 or 12<br />Uub: 16<br /><br />East Kaioshin: Over 5 million<br />Elder Kaioshin: Over 75 million<br /><br />Yi Xing Long (1-Star Dragon): 28<br />Liang Xing Long (2-Star Dragon): 40<br />San Xing Long (3-Star Dragon): 16<br />Si Xing Long (4-Star Dragon): 37<br />Wu Xing Long (5-Star Dragon): 28<br />Liu Xing Long (6-Star Dragon): 41<br />Qi Xing Long (7-Star Dragon): 16<br /><br />100 Years Later; Age 890<br />Pan: 111<br />Goku Jr: ?<br />Goku: 153; physically who knows?<br /><br />Credit herms<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Elder Kaioshin: Sealed away about 75 million ago according to Daizenshuu 7, so must be even older<br />Majin Buu, East Kaioshin, Kibito, Babidi: According to Daizenshuu 7, Buu was created about 5 million years ago, so that’s how old he is. East Kaioshin, Kibito, and Babidi were all around back then, so they’re even older.<br /><br />Sea Turtle: According to the Garlic Jr. filler arc he’s a thousand years old in Age 763, so he’d be born in 237 Before Age.<br />Mummy-kun: 50 Before Age (Daiz 7)<br />Karin: He tells Goku that he’s about 800 when they first meet.<br />Dracula Man: Age 176 (Daiz 7)<br />Uranai Baba: Daiz 7’s timeline says she began divining in Age 250, so she must be older<br />Kami-sama: The disaster on Planet Namek that he escaped from is said to be 500 years ago in the series (Age 261 in the Daiz 7 timeline), so he must be older than that, but not that much older, since he was a child at the time.<br />Kame-sennin: Age 430 (Daiz 7, SEG)<br />Tsuru-sennin: I guess he’s as old Kame-sennin (they were both young when Daimao was sealed away), so around Age 430<br />Tao Pai Pai: Age 459 (Daiz 7)<br /><br />Piccolo Daimao: Age 461 (Daiz 7). I guess mentally he’d be as old as Kami.<br /><br />Shenlong: Created in Age 470 (Daiz 7)<br />Grandpa Gohan: Age 658 (Daiz 7)<br /><br />Toninjinka: Age 698 (Daiz 7)<br />King Chapa: Age 710 (Daiz 7)<br /><br />Nappa: Daizenshuu 7 says that he was in his fifties when he died (in Age 762), so that means he was born in Age 703-712<br />Pilaf: Age 715 (Daiz 7)<br />Murasaki: Age 715 (Daiz 7)<br />Giran: Age 717 (Daiz 7)<br />Man-Wolf: Age 719 (Daiz 7)<br /><br />Baby: The GT Perfect Files say he was created between Age 720-730<br />Namu: Age 721 (Daiz 7)<br />Senbei: Age 722 (Daiz 7)<br />Blue: Age 722 (Daiz 7)<br />Ran-Fan: Age 726 (Daiz 7)<br />Midori: Age 727 (Daiz 7)<br />Tsuru-rin Tsun: Age 730 (Daiz 7)<br />Tarou Soramame: Age 730 (Daiz 7)<br /><br />Vegeta: Age 732 (Daiz 7, SEG)<br />Tsuku-tsun Tsun: Age 732 (Daiz 7)<br />Pisuke Soramame: Age 732 (Daiz 7)<br />Akane Kimidori: Age 732 (Daiz 7)<br />Bulma: Age 733 (Daiz 7, SEG); flat-out said to be 16 at the start of the series.<br />Yamcha: Age 733 (Daiz 7, SEG)<br />Tenshinhan: Age 733 (Daiz 7, SEG)<br /><br />King: Enthroned in 733 according to the anime and Daiz 7, so he must be much older.<br /><br />Yajirobe: Age 735 (SEG)<br />Kuririn: Age 736 (Daiz 7, SEG)<br />Mister Satan: Age 736 (SEG)<br /><br />Son Goku: Age 737 (Daiz 7, SEG)<br />Chi Chi: Age 737 (Daiz 7, SEG)<br />Chaozu: Age 738 (SEG)<br /><br />Oolong: Age 740 (Daiz 7)<br />Puar: Age 740 (Daiz 7)<br />Sno: Age 740 (Daiz 7)<br /><br />Doctor Mu: According to the GT Perfect Files he was created by Baby in Age 740<br /><br />Arale: Created in Age 745 (Daiz 7). At the time, Senbei passed her off as a 13-year old.<br />Pigero: Said to be 15 when he meets Gohan in Age 761, so he’d be born in Age 746<br /><br />Oboccha Mach: Created in Age 747 (Daiz 7). Poses as the same age as Arale, making him supposedly 15 at the time (neither of them look anywhere close to 15 of course).<br /><br />Turbo Norimaki: Age 749 (Daiz 7)<br /><br />Piccolo: Age 753 (series, Daiz 7, SEG). Probably mentally older.<br /><br />Videl: Age 756 (Daiz 7), Age 757 (SEG)<br />Sharpa: Age 756 (Daiz 7)<br />Erasa: Age 756 (Daiz 7)<br />Gohan: Age 757 (series, Daiz 7, SEG)<br /><br />Idasa: Age 759 (series, Daiz 7)<br />Ikose: Age 760 (series, Daiz 7)<br /><br />Trunks: Age 766 (series, Daiz 7)<br />Goten: Age 767 (series, Daiz 7)<br /><br />Cell: Daiz 7 says his development began in 762 and he was born in 786.<br /><br />Marron: Age 771 (Daiz 7)<br />Uub: Age 774 (series, Daiz 7)<br /><br />Pan: Age 779 (Daiz 7)<br />Bra: Age 778 (her Daiz 7 bio) or Age 780 (Daiz 7 timeline, GT Perfect Files)<br /><br />Yi Xing Long: “Born” when the dragonballs were used to revive those killed by Freeza and his men in Age 762 (GT Perfect Files)<br />Liang Xing Long: “Born” when the dragonballs were used to revive Bora in Age 750 (series)<br />San Xing Long: “Born” when the dragonballs were used to erase peoples’ memories of Majin Buu in Age 774 (GT Perfect Files)<br />Si Xing Long: “Born” when the dragonballs were used to restore Piccolo Daimao’s youth in Age 753 (series)<br />Wu Xing Long: “Born” when the dragonballs were used to restore Goku to life in Age 762 (series)<br />Liu Xing Long: “Born” when the dragonballs were used to get a pair of panties in Age 749 (series)<br />Qi Xing Long: “Born” when the dragonballs were used to revive those Vegeta killed at the 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai in Age 774.T.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-87683074092258825032009-09-13T11:13:00.000-07:002009-09-13T11:14:38.099-07:00Raditz or Saibaiman who is stronger?<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhNOJr7xe_6bcbmRFZkvkWPqdPHNpO8pVjIMxDDHJw0k3tIgS0-7zDhn2CGKFHI51ugi93pi26cb2joua97aeauhNM6oWvcOrQ59yaicETb1wAtFy5NvUuN4hHc2uCgGTqpEbCxzQfSmzs/s1600-h/dbz-anime-special.png"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 280px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhNOJr7xe_6bcbmRFZkvkWPqdPHNpO8pVjIMxDDHJw0k3tIgS0-7zDhn2CGKFHI51ugi93pi26cb2joua97aeauhNM6oWvcOrQ59yaicETb1wAtFy5NvUuN4hHc2uCgGTqpEbCxzQfSmzs/s400/dbz-anime-special.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5381002602420484994" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />There is some controversy about who is stronger Raditz or Saibaiman.<br />The answer is given by Akira Toriyama.<br />Let's see:<br /><br />It was stated by Toriyama in the Shenlong Times that Raditz was slightly superior battle strength-wise to the Saibaimen that means th e power level given in the daizenshuu 1500 is correct.<br />Toriyama wrote about the Saibaimen being weaker than Raditz in one of his memos to the anime staff, which was printed in the first DBZ Anime Special book. We added a (somewhat poor) scan of this as a late addition to the manga page of Kanzentai’s BP guide. Toriyama’s words are: "But their battle power is considerably high, at a level slightly inferior to Raditz" (しかし戦闘力はかなり高くラディッツより少し劣る程度).<br /><br />As has been said, Nappa doesn’t actually say that the Saibaimen are equal to Raditz, just that they are comparable in terms of power (hitteki, which can be translated as “equal”, but only in a general sense, not any strict mathematical sense). For comparison, Sharpner uses the same word when he says that Videl is almost as strong as Mister Satan (and here Viz translates it as “rivals”). <br /><br /><br />1,500 was first used as Raditz's BP in Weekly Jump in 1989, back when the battle with Vegeta was still going on, and was used in Daizenshuu 7 in 1996, Landmark in 2003, and the SEG: Story Volume this year. It's also been used in video games like Kyoushuu! Saiya-jin (1990), Super Saiya Densetsu (1992), and Saiya-jin Raishuu this year.<br /><br />Nappa's statement in the manga says something like "rival" instead of "equaling" Radditz, so that would support the argument a hell of a lot. Battle Power chart lists Raditz as having a BP of 1,500. People say it has to be wrong because a weaker opponent killed him, but that's a moot argument since the whole series is about defeating stronger people, and plus a Saibaiman (1,200) took out Yamcha who had 1480<br /><br /><br /><br />if we're talking simply about the series, then we have to face the fact that no actual rules for battle powers are ever established. Sure, a higher number means a stronger fighter (though even this isn't ever stated), but when it comes to anything behind that, like how much difference a particular gap between battle powers makes, then there's nothing at all. You can try to derive rules from what we see, but the series isn't consistent. Nail at 42,000 can't harm the 530,000 Freeza at all, but a seriously wounded Goku who's at most 8,000 can wound the eye of Oozaru Vegeta who's around 180,000 (and at least much higher than 40,000). Similarly, Kuririn's Saibaimen-destroying ki attack doesn't harm Vegeta at all, but Yajirobe has no trouble slicing Oozaru Vegeta's tail off. Vegeta at 24,000 can defeat Dodoria regular Zarbon effortlessly, but Kaio-ken x3 Goku can't defeat Vegeta that easily, even though he should be higher than 24,000 and Vegeta at that time is much weaker than Dodoria and regular Zarbon. Goku's Kamehameha inflicts no damage on old Daimao when Daimao is using only 50% of his power, which is impossible to fit into Kame-sennin being 139 and Raditz-era Piccolo being 408. There's just no real logic to this, which makes sense because the series itself makes clear that battle powers are a flawed system used by aliens too spiritually dense and obsessed with power to sense ki like a proper warrior can.<br />So the answer is that Raditz power level of 1500 and Daizenshuu 7 is correct about this.<br /><br /><br />However,there are always dumb biased fanboys who refuse to accept facts and try to make a case to prove that they know more about dragon ball than Akira Toriyama.<br />Let'see some retarded comments made by delusional fanboys.<br /><br />Question:The original dialogue was that the Saibamen rivaled Raditz battle power, not just comparable to his battle power. The actual word rivaled was used, and by definition, even in the original dialogue, the Saibamen are identical in strength to Raditz, making his battle power 1,200. <br /><br />Answer:It was stated by Toriyama in the Shenlong Times that Raditz was slightly superior battle strength-wise to the Saibaimen. <br /><br />Dumb statement:Then his own statement in the Shenlong Times is inaccurate, given that the dialogue he gave Nappa describing Raditz strength in comparison to the Saibamen clearly indicates equality, not around the same strength. Nappa clearly says that each Saibamen rivals Radittsu, and as I showed in the above post, rivals in that context means equal to.<br /><br />Answer:OMFG fucking dumbass are you fucking retarded?Do you enjoy being made to look stupid???<br />You are saying that you know more about dragon ball than Akira Toriyama????????<br />Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />Again the Mr.Dumb biased fuck tried to twist facts,however,<br />here are some more definitions of "rival" .<br /><br /><br />ri·val (rvl)n. 1. One who attempts to equal or surpass another, or who pursues the same object as another; a competitor.<br />2. One that equals or almost equals another in a particular respect.<br />"Rival" doesn't necessarily have to mean exactly equal. You don't need to be equal to someone in some aspect to rival them, just to be comparable. Vegeta also "rivals" Goku in power, but their powers are obviously not the same. Raditz is superior to the Saibamen.<br /><br />Do you like getting thoroughly humiliated with your brainless biased statements????<br /><br /><br /><br />Mr biased dumbass:"The Saibamen are Radittsu's rivals in strength", for if he did, then the definition you used would work. But he basically said, "Each Saibamen rivals Radittsu in strength", which means that the noun form definition doesn't work, whereas the verb form definition does.<br /><br />In any case, given that gaps of hundreds in the Saiya-jin Saga were still substantial differences in battle power, it'd be impossible for Radittsu to be 1,500 and still be equal or near equal to a being with a battle power of 1,200. Furthermore, as said, he himself established he stood no chance against a blast with a battle power of 1,330, not knowing the nature of the attack.<br /><br /><br />Answer:OMFG conveniently,you skipped he 2nd possible definition of rival.Are you a mentally challenged brain dead pigling?<br /><br />It is amazing how biased you are about this you fucking dumbass.<br />What is more amazing is the fact that in your delusional mind you believe to know more about dragon ball than Akira Toriyama.<br />Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />It was stated by Toriyama in the Shenlong Times that Raditz was slightly superior battle strength-wise to the Saibaimen.<br />That's really all that needs to be said. Toriyama stated himself that the saibamen are slightly inferior to raditz period.<br /><br />After getting bludgeoned for the umpteenth time this is all you have????? You need sleep. Rest and recuperate, you've been taken apart....again. You should be used to it by now.<br /><br />Mr.dumbass:Toriyama contradicted himself.<br /><br />Answer:OMFG Are you fucking retarded?<br />He clarified himself.<br />Android #16 stated Piccolo rivaled both #17 & #18, and we know he wasn't fighting Cell at full-potential, since he was stronger by a good bit. He didn't equal #17 until he went to full-strength and fought him equally. So, we know rival doesn't automatically mean they have the same level of power, because if it does--it means Weighted Piccolo=#17=#18, and we know that's not accurate. <br />They both use the term rival. I just showed a canon instance where the guy rivaling the others was not at the same level. In fact, that definitely shows that rival doesn't mean equal. Same power range? Maybe. Exactly equal? No. We know that isn't how it is here. In terms of Battle Power, the Cultivars rival Raditz; in terms of Battle Power, Fused Piccolo rivals the Androids. That's a clear example of it not meaning equal.<br />If Raditz is around 1.500 and the Cultivars are 1.200 they rival him in power. <br />Again if we're talking simply about the series, then we have to face the fact that no actual rules for battle powers are ever established. Sure, a higher number means a stronger fighter (though even this isn't ever stated), but when it comes to anything behind that, like how much difference a particular gap between battle powers makes, then there's nothing at all. You can try to derive rules from what we see, but the series isn't consistent. Nail at 42,000 can't harm the 530,000 Freeza at all, but a seriously wounded Goku who's at most 8,000 can wound the eye of Oozaru Vegeta who's around 180,000 (and at least much higher than 40,000). Similarly, Kuririn's Saibaimen-destroying ki attack doesn't harm Vegeta at all, but Yajirobe has no trouble slicing Oozaru Vegeta's tail off. Vegeta at 24,000 can defeat Dodoria regular Zarbon effortlessly, but Kaio-ken x3 Goku can't defeat Vegeta that easily, even though he should be higher than 24,000 and Vegeta at that time is much weaker than Dodoria and regular Zarbon. Goku's Kamehameha inflicts no damage on old Daimao when Daimao is using only 50% of his power, which is impossible to fit into Kame-sennin being 139 and Raditz-era Piccolo being 408. There's just no real logic to this, which makes sense because the series itself makes clear that battle powers are a flawed system used by aliens too spiritually dense and obsessed with power to sense ki like a proper warrior can.<br />Again you have been taken apart!!!!!<br /><br />The Daizenshuu levels make as much sense as the manga ones. Then again, I'm speaking with a dumbass who thinks his own fan-made biased opinion is just as canon as the people who both made and own the fucking series. Ever heard of fanfiction? That's essentially what any statement that goes against their declarations and publications is.<br /><br />Again you have been taken apart!!!!!<br />obliterated!!!!!!! Smashed to pieces!!!!!!!!!!!<br />You just keep getting clapped down. Anything else you want me to destruct? <br />I guess not.<br />Owned !!!!!T.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-63753320758084644962009-08-24T09:49:00.000-07:002010-02-06T09:04:39.017-08:00Dragonball Manga: ContradictionsYou know that some mangatards love to discredit daizenshuu saying the retarded crap...<br />it's not in the fucking manga.lol<br />Toriyama couldn't have made everything correct and exact. <br />I will show contradictions that there are, and I will provide the most vital. I am not bashing the Manga, just clearing out for those that claim the Manga is 100% correct, and that Manga based curriculums are 100% true, then think again.<br />1-Goku didn't turn into Oozaru when he transported Boss Rabbit to the moon (and they were able to breathe in space without dying )<br />2- Bardock fought Freeza in Planet Vegeta`s orbit,again how the fuck he breathed in space??lol<br />3-GOKU VS CELL: Son Goku, destroyed Cell's brain, and later on when Cell, self destructs, he explains that his resurrection was due to the fact that a Cell from his brain survived the explosion. By this the Manga is implying that all the Z fighters had to do is destroy his brain which Son Goku did, so it is therefore a contradiction.In conclusion,Piccolo said that he could regenerate any amount of flesh as long as his brain was intact, so how come when Goku blew Cell's upper half off he could still regenerate? Don't tell me that his brain was actually located in his lower half, because when explaining how he became Super Perfect Cell he points to his head and even says that his core is located in his head.lol<br />4-Goku and Vegeta zenkais in Namek:<br />Goku is listed as 90,000 upon arrival on Namek. After a beat-down he heals up and jumps up in power to 3,000,000. "That's the zenkai thing" you say, "what's the problem? He got the same thing after the fight on Earth." Well, that time, he was beaten to within an inch of his life, healed up and then trained harder than anyone else in the universe had ever trained before - and that increased his strength about 10-fold (8,000 to 90,000). Now, on Namek he got beaten up, but not to the point he was back on Earth, and he got a 30-fold increase (90,000 to 3,000,000). There's the problem. He got a a worse beatdown and trained harder than anything imaginable and 'only' got a 10-fold increase. Suddenly he takes a few punches and gets a 30-fold increase? Also, Vegeta gets blasted through the heart, bleeds all over the place, passes out, and generally comes far closer to death than Goku did, yet gets less of a Zenkai than Goku on the "Base Goku = 3,000,000" scale. Body switching DOES NOT MATTER. That has NO effect on the Saiya-jin's body AT ALL and thus can't damage it. On top of this, Goku's beating asn't nearly as severe as the one he took on Earth. It WAS cappable of functioning. He could have survived without a regen tank. He was only put there so that he'd be able to help against Freeza later. Where as on Earth, he wouldn't have survived otherwise (Uh, hello? Iron Lung?). It's more than 3 times higher than ANYTHING Vegeta got for a boost and he was receiving superior Zenkai's the entire time. Alright. Let's look at Vegeta first since we've got the most info on him. Earth = 18,000. After a single Zenkai he's now at about 24,000 (IIRC). His second Zenkai probably put him into the low to mid 30,000's. His third most likely put him in the upper 60,000's to lower 70,000's. More than enough to stomp on Jeice, Ginyu in Goku's body, and the injured Ginyu. <br /><br />Now we get to Vegeta's 'nap'. Obviously *something* was up with his body. He'd had a Senzu so he should have been in tip-top shape, but he wasn't. My thought is that the constant fighting had caused his Zenkai to continue beyond just the healing from the Senzu and that's why he felt odd. After this 'nap' his power is about 250k (just over 8 times more than when he fought Recoome). Then, Krillin blasts a hole THROUGH HIS CHEST and he's only moments from dieing before Dende finally heals him. And yet, his power boost is still less than 10x. <br /><br />Now look at Goku. From 8k to 90k. And by most people's thoughts that's with 100g training and 4 Zenkais. Considering he was so throughly thrashed on Earth I'd say he was probably around 12k to 16k after the Vegeta fight. Still, even at 12k, that's only a 7.5 increase with training and 3 Zenkais. <br /><br />Then, suddenly, when his body takes a beating LESS than that of what he got on Earth (less than what Vegeta got against Zarbon too, even) he jumps up more than 33 fold? No. No. No. Just no. The HIGHEST Zenkai we've seen is from Vegeta going up about 10x. Goku's been lucky by best estimation to get a 2x boost from his. 90k to 300k is a 3x boost. That's more reasonable for his gains than 33x.<br /><br />5-In the Original Manga, Jisu gets ready to read Bejita's power level and he reads his battle power at " ..20,000!". Refer to Daizenshuu 7 and you see that in the battle power chart, Bejita's battle power for when Son Goku arrives on Planet Namek is 30,000. As far as we know this is the first place ever to give Bejita's battle power from that time as being 30,000. Look at the Kanzenban re-release of the Manga which featured things such as slightly revised artwork and a new ending by Toriyama-sensei, the dialogue from before Bejita fight Reccome is change so that Bejita's power level coincides with the Daizenshuu 7.<br /><br />Many people say that Toriyama-sensei had nothing to do with any of the Daizenshuu's because he made the Dragonball Escheat in 1994, that is completely untrue. Also people say that he wasn't invovled in GT either, which is also false. In the past, it has been proved Toriyama's initial involvement in DragonBall GT via his early character and landscape designs in the daizenshuu and DBGT Perfect File books. Daizenshuu 6 ("MOVIES & TV SPECIALS"), in particular, showcases Toriyama's character designs for the likes of Coola (and his henchmen), movie 7's jinzôningen, Broli, Bojack, etc.<br />What about the general filler material in the TV show?Toriyama had nothing to do with any of that, right...? Not quite.It is certainly not the case that Toriyama wrote and "drew" every single episode in the TV series, but the recent anime guide Son Gokû Densetsu finally gives us a little glimpse into the clearly-overworked man's involvement in the TV series. There were many character designs Toriyama came up with for filler material, including Paikuhan, Dai-Kaiô, and the beginnings of King Vegeta. We also learn that for many story points, Toriyama would typically come up with a vague idea and leave a memo for the TV series staff to, essentially, go wild with and develop a full story from said idea. Some of these items included the back-history of the Saiyans and the Tsufurus for DBZ episode 20, the Z-Senshi's training with the "Ancient" Saiyans via Kami's Palace, and Lunch's persistent chasing of Tenshinhan. Yamcha's job as a baseball player was Toriyama-sensei's idea! Also remember cases such as Bardock, who was essentially a joint-collaboration between Akira Toriyama and Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru. In fact, Toriyama liked the idea so much, he ended up integrating it into his own canon storyline in the manga.<br />So please don't listen to dumb rumors retwisting or denying what took place because it is completely untrue.<br />6-The Super Saiyan legend:<br />Vegeta states at least three versions of the legend. One version is that a Super Saiyan emerges every thousand years. A second version is that a Super Saiyan hadn't appeared in over a thousand years (signifying that anyone could've become a Super Saiyan at anytime in Saiyan history). And in a third version, Vegeta states "Super Saiyans of legend", as in more than one. Whether or not he was speaking about more than one at a single point in history is unknown<br />7-Vegeta and Gohan's tails never growing back, as well as Goten and Trunks not being born with tails. (Simply a mistake by AT)<br />8-Magic stick<br />Goku: "This Kin-to'un(magic stick) you gave me is awesome!!"<br /><br />Muten Roshi: "Of course it is! I got it straight from Kami-sama himself!"<br /><br />Wrong Roshi got it from karin:<br />Goku: "Th-Then the Kinto'un that I got from the old turtle guy..."<br /><br />Karin-sama: "Yes. I gave it to him long ago."<br /><br />9-kame sennin with a power bellow 200 destroys the moon easily and vegeta with 18.000 has to recharge<br />to destroy the earth<br /><br />10-Gravity training in dragon ball<br />Some dumb fanboys use gravity training as an example to prove that characters like Tenshinhan could not reach the high millions,guess what,<span style="font-weight:bold;">gravity</span> is an unreliable form of training, and cannot be used to determine any ones power level.<br />Some retards think that after the moment you train at gravity, you will become stronger to a point, and then not get any bonus from it.Vegeta was training in x150 after mastering x300, why would he do that if x150=x1 for him?lol<br /> Goku could lift 390kg per arm at least(based on average arm weight and x100) at PL: 90,000.<br />When Goku trained at 10x earths gravity (and mastered it) on Kaio's planet, his base power level went up to "over 8.000". Now when he traveled to Namek he mastered training in 100xG. But after this training his power level was stated to be "About 90,000". So by training in 10x (100xG) the earlier gravity training, which was 10xG, his powerlevel went about 10 times up... So theoretically (with a linear relation) Goku in SSJ form, where his PL was about 150 million should be able to train in about 150.000xG! Toriyama didn't think about this after the Freeza saga, because Vegeta's training in 100xG ruins this theory :Vegeta is stated to have 180,000 kg (possibly more) as weight while training in the graviton for the androids, that means he could lift around nearly 200 tons thus Goku should be able to lift 100 tons with ease since his base form shouldn't be that much weaker than Vegeta's. But many things after the Freeza saga seems to be down powered and there are some inconsistencies.<br />Actually, if Goku were able to train in 100xG (before namek), he would weight near 10 tons in the gravity chamber. And it is ridiculous and a contradiction that he was unable to lift the 10 tons in his base form that the other Kaio suggested,and needed to turn SSJ... These 40-tons seems ridiculous for many reasons.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />In the Buu saga, Goku is stronger than Vegeta yet he can barely handle 2 tonnes. He is at least 3,000,000 in base in that saga, so should be able to handle 13 tonnes. That means the weight lifting ability at different levels are flawed, meaning training that just increases weight, like gravity or weighted clothing, will be flawed and illogical.<br />When still preparing for the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai both Goku and Kuririn moved a gigantic rock simply by pushing it. That was when they were 12 and 13 and just had been training the Kame-Sennin style for a couple of months...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbu0GLtVNC5e0SqxUNL9Sy0n05A8m6qJ5TfzF6EpB4sJ9T8IMhM3fYFuTtHIFJx-ti80rY83x8EGTsnAdXsJBF1PIYskjVrpySlBrYWtq9YAHE8PTb46dd-hl8J2KLaRuyUOmtexMGwJc/s1600-h/huge+rock.png"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 294px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbu0GLtVNC5e0SqxUNL9Sy0n05A8m6qJ5TfzF6EpB4sJ9T8IMhM3fYFuTtHIFJx-ti80rY83x8EGTsnAdXsJBF1PIYskjVrpySlBrYWtq9YAHE8PTb46dd-hl8J2KLaRuyUOmtexMGwJc/s400/huge+rock.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5401372081666235394" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Then we have to deal with a fucking retard:<br />Dumb biased retarded statement:"...Gigantic rock??? It was a boulder that was lodged in the ground. "Simply?" It took everything they could muster to push it along for a few feet..."<br /><br />Answer:OMFG are you fucking retarded?????????<br />See this image?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5XMepL8S-qXq6_wNKzgoI124PDL94O37sUPoD9vzKdODtqDFQOcsOKmLIu-LlbjVY7n2Soep8HPTD1XNAU0Ah2ZzRt36Y9Lbz0dCwXz9PyLnUhZXU9YDhqYJZCHGOsNjbZVFcN5fhd2A/s1600-h/boulder+with+80+tons.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 353px; height: 270px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5XMepL8S-qXq6_wNKzgoI124PDL94O37sUPoD9vzKdODtqDFQOcsOKmLIu-LlbjVY7n2Soep8HPTD1XNAU0Ah2ZzRt36Y9Lbz0dCwXz9PyLnUhZXU9YDhqYJZCHGOsNjbZVFcN5fhd2A/s400/boulder+with+80+tons.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5401373365398253682" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"That is an 80 ton rock !!!!!looool Yes sir,you are a dumbass!!!!!<br /><br />The rock that Goku moved after Roshi`s training was as big as this, if not bigger. <br />And by the end of dragon ball he lifted a giant-sized Piccolo <br />and Goku was the size of Piccolo`s finger when he lifted him.<br />As you can see manga has several mistakes.<br />So,don't listen to dumb rumors re twisting or denying daizenshuu just because things are not in the manga.<br />It seems that mangatards and some My Favourite Games fucking dumbasses got clapped down again!!!!!!!!!!!!!loooooooooooolT.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-18035599055117608372009-08-22T03:12:00.000-07:002009-08-23T10:39:35.647-07:00Krillin versus Tenshinhan in the sayan sagaI already explained with math why Tenshinhan was a lot stronger than Krillin in the sayan saga.<br />Plus,Daizenshuu 7 with official numbers also state this fact and several quotes in the manga also sustain the fact that Tenshinhan was a lot stronger than Krillin,however,some krillin fanboys biased dumbasses decided to entertain us with some retarded funny comments.<br />Enjoy!!!Let the destruction begin!!!!!looooool<br /><br />Krillin dumb biased fanboy:Krillin could actually dodge Nappa.<br /><br />Answer:Wrong fucking dumbass!!!!!<br />When that happened Nappa wasn't powered up dumbass and he was a little out of balance.<br />Instead when Nappa attacked Tenshinhan he was giving his full power.<br />Do you remember what happened between Nappa and goku?<br />I bet you do,but a fucking biased dumbass like you just ignores it to make a dumb theory or case.<br />When Nappa wasn't powered up goku played with him,however when he powered up exactly like against Tenshinhan,he managed to trade a little with goku,he even surprised goku FUCKING DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />Plus, the few times krillin hits Nappa he just caught Nappa off guard and Nappa was hardly even taking the fight seriously at that point.<br />Nappa specifically charged Tenshinhan fresh after powering up and Nappa was toying with Gohan and Kuririn,then krillin took advantage of Nappa's lack of attention.<br />Again you have been taken apart!!!!!<br />obliterated!!!!!!! Smashed to pieces!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Krillin dumb biased fanboy:he killed 4 of them with a single attack(or was it three). Anyhow, he did 10x the job Tienshinhan did. <br /><br />Answer:OMFG Are you fucking retarded????????lool<br />Krillin's fantastic ki attack landed on Nappa and guess what fucking dumbass nothing happened,nothing!!!!!!!!!!Nappa's armor was clean like a mirror.<br />However,Tenshinhan's weakened kikoho shattered nappa's armor fucking dumbass!!!!lool<br />You have been destructed AGAIN!!!!!Smashed to pieces!!!!!!!!!!!<br />That's why you get bitchslapped and taken apart on the regular dumbass!!!!<br /><br />Krillin dumb biased fanboy:Tienshinhan had probably enough power to do that, but he definitely lacked the proper Ki control.<br /><br />Answer:It is Tenshinhan dumbass not Tien!!!!!!<br />OMFG Are you fucking retarded or just genetically stupid?????????????????<br />Tenshinhan was the one during dragon ball early days in the 22 world tournament who could control kikoho,a dangerous technique who can kill you if you don't have enough ki control.<br />That retarded made up myth that krillin has superior ki control than Tenshinhan is just retarded bullshit who goes against all the facts presented in the manga!!!!!<br />Krillin is the one who hasn't the proper ki control to compete with Tenshinhan.<br />Now put that in your pipe and smoke it DUMBASS!!!!<br /><br />Krillin dumb biased fanboy:Tien was out of breath fighting one Cultivar, so there's no reason to assume he can emulate what Krillin do.<br /><br />Answer:That's it!!!!!!!!!!!<span style="font-weight:bold;">OMFG apart from naturally retarded are you fucking BLIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<span style="font-style:italic;"></span></span><br /><br />Do you enjoy being made to look stupid???lol<br />Here are the images from the fucking original manga:<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhKuOBTO8yYv9QwC_zSIZAdvovbc1sBnMYeLgvKN3iA5hGpiq07gX_cfmsR9z8vyOZJZhAGWpL97L9Iekk1-MVHJpmSsVzyMIowVzT5fUnpX_h7ocr6KSO9FoXS9KORRLVFGMrMbcc7990/s1600-h/075.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 267px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhKuOBTO8yYv9QwC_zSIZAdvovbc1sBnMYeLgvKN3iA5hGpiq07gX_cfmsR9z8vyOZJZhAGWpL97L9Iekk1-MVHJpmSsVzyMIowVzT5fUnpX_h7ocr6KSO9FoXS9KORRLVFGMrMbcc7990/s400/075.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5372742477267384098" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhiT_hvRTI8l6PGn4h3J1ls6qySDhFOuMQF0QEx0jCMaPuu5KbNGz0nqe4TqvNYFnhJK39nh872IpqSrlq2oYWfhPFGqzD6iEUvjGJdAY4FyAPkOI3GlQO2mEDsI8bbHxGCT4aPkM59sQ0/s1600-h/076.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 267px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhiT_hvRTI8l6PGn4h3J1ls6qySDhFOuMQF0QEx0jCMaPuu5KbNGz0nqe4TqvNYFnhJK39nh872IpqSrlq2oYWfhPFGqzD6iEUvjGJdAY4FyAPkOI3GlQO2mEDsI8bbHxGCT4aPkM59sQ0/s400/076.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5372742714529270162" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjPD0BvJ5ORQqC19IT35lEgJ95ZSeruowBkByZh4cZ18dMq1D5d6O4DRoucsXqLm4bIPqnhFkR_PxnyOqmXx5bUEgM-t7Xq3FEM1rs2SDiSdNhS2-Jk81vQ8pYJ81ksmIZjd7DOOq-8UUg/s1600-h/077.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 267px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjPD0BvJ5ORQqC19IT35lEgJ95ZSeruowBkByZh4cZ18dMq1D5d6O4DRoucsXqLm4bIPqnhFkR_PxnyOqmXx5bUEgM-t7Xq3FEM1rs2SDiSdNhS2-Jk81vQ8pYJ81ksmIZjd7DOOq-8UUg/s400/077.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5372742922533018738" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Now,we know that you are retarded,we know that you are stupid as shit,we even know that 99,9%<br />of your brain is composed by shit.<br />However,we never suspected that apart from all that shit,your brain shit made you blind,definitely your brain shit passed through your eyes making you blind.lol<br />Do you see anyone panting in the original manga dumbass??????<br />No!!! You see in the anime Tenshinhan <span style="font-weight:bold;">exhaling air</span> and exhaling air isn't the same as being out of breath you fucking retard.<br />You just got owned pretty bad on this one.looool<br />Now the fucking facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Tenshinhan got his arm knocked off in a direct confrontation when Nappa powered up to his maximum power, Tenshinhan stood back up, and still had enough Chi left to do a Ki-ko-hou.<br /><br />Kuririn got two cheap shots that connected off, got him once while he was distracted, and was later knocked out of the fight by a Chi blast that didn't even hit him.Afer that Krillin couldn't even move like a pussy.lol<br /><br />Kuririn got defeated by an attack that didn't even hit him. Tenshinhan stood back up after 2 attacks that did hit him and he was ready to fight.<br /><br /><br /><br />Kuririn only hits Nappa because they were either cheap shots or he was distracted, when Nappa actually got seriously annoyed and attacked him, he was thrown out of the fray like a fucking maggot, by an attack that didn't even hit him.<br />yeah Krillin is a pussy and a lot weaker than Tenshinhan!!!!loool<br />Krillin pissed on his pants when Tenshinhan and Piccolo fought against the cyborgs.<br />Krillin is in fact a pussy.<br /><br />Tenshinhan took 2 direct attacks from Nappa, and got back up on his feet, that's something not even Piccolo did easily.<br /><br />The fact that he charged Tenshinhan in a powered up state and hit him with enough force that he ripped Ten's arm off is proof enough.<br /> Tenshinhan took more damage than Kuririn and got back up on his feet. Getting your arm broken off, and slammed into the ground and surviving getting up is more than prove enough.<br />Plus, Nappa hadn't even touched Kuririn until the three-hour break had concluded .<br /><br />In fact, Kuririn wasn't even hit when he went down, it was the aftershock of an explosion that took him down.lol<br />Tenshinhan had his arm ripped off and Nappa also slammed him into the ground with a kick and Tenshinhan still survived and he got up ready to fight.<br />Even Nappa was surprised saying that Tenshinhan was tough.<br /> Kuririn wasn't even touched until shockwaves took him out. Not the actual blast, but the shockwaves. Not comparable, retard. Kuririn looked weaker against Nappa when Nappa was serious than Tenshinhan did. That's a fact!!!!!!You got obliterated again,now put back together so I could obliterate you again!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Krillin dumb biased fanboy:Nappa took the full power of Tienshinhan head on and dodged the Kienzan because it would have seriously injured him or killed him.<br /><br />Krillin>Everyone else <br /><br />Answer:Again with this shit?Its Tenshinhan,not Tien!<br />Whattttttttttttttt?And the nominees for THE I GOT BITCH SLAPPED THE HARDEST FOR Retarded statements are krillin fanboys<br />Please,leave the drugs king of dumbasses!!!!<br />By that logic,Tenshinhan who holds Cell did better than Piccolo,A-16 or super sayajins.<br />You are a fucking joke and your level of retardation is irreversible.<br /> Tenshinhan improves a lot faster than krillin,they trained together to the 23 world tournament and Tenshinhan became a lot stronger than krillin.<br />By official numbers in the 23 world tournament Cyborg Tao had 210 and Kami 220.<br />We know what happened to Cyborg Tao,Tenshinhan owned him easily with a single shot.<br />Five years later krillin had 206.looooooooool<br />Again Tenshinhan was more powerful before the training with kami that means he is logically going to be more powerful after it which is an official FACT.<br /><br />Also, Kuririn stated Nappa would go after one of the strongest, which was between Tenshinhan or Piccolo, according to him. <br />This is what i call a brutal destruction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />You got clapped down again!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hail the king!!!!<br />Do you enjoy being made to look stupid???<br />Come again retards and i will take you down like maggots!!!<br />After getting bludgeoned for the umpteenth time this is all you have????? You need sleep. Rest and recuperate, you've been taken apart....again. You should be used to it by now.Owned !!!!!T.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-9742188386013686462009-07-25T11:36:00.000-07:002009-12-28T11:29:37.220-08:001 crazy MFG(My Favourite Games) member vs an dbz expertWell,i found the classic MFG dumb old retarded twisted truth in another forum arguing with some intelligent members.<br />Guess what?<br />The fucking dumbass was destroyed!!!!!!!!<br />Enjoy this destruction!!!!!<br />Again, a crazy MFG member has been taken apart!!!!!lol<br /> Does anyone know what part of the brain needs to be removed to think that Tenshinhan doesn't have a power level in the millions?lol<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">DBZ fan with a brain:</span><br />Seeing that Tien and the others showed up to fight beings that where so much powerful than freeza shows that they were in the millions specially, cos they felt Freeza’s suppressed level and afterwards Piccolo told them to not show up if they couldn’t become strong enough and that is the reason why tenshinhan left Chaozu behind. <br />Here you can see Piccolo's warning to Tenshinhan,Krillin and Yamcha:<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwCg5ksECSrRCh6TbwG5jET63aJZ294EooiF9MryUgQ0-5GVL_ZaOAItlQa9B1iEh0cBdtvmFzYwG4FxLxlt5u-MQucKY26ybz0YjIUREjyuym8FjDtXwc0157YqCfqqrRlOQqHST3VDY/s1600-h/DRAGONBALL28_156+Piccolo+warning.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 248px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwCg5ksECSrRCh6TbwG5jET63aJZ294EooiF9MryUgQ0-5GVL_ZaOAItlQa9B1iEh0cBdtvmFzYwG4FxLxlt5u-MQucKY26ybz0YjIUREjyuym8FjDtXwc0157YqCfqqrRlOQqHST3VDY/s400/DRAGONBALL28_156+Piccolo+warning.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5401367343607627234" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Akira Toriyama uses his wisest member Piccolo to tell us that Tenshinhan,Yamcha and Krillin would get to the millions during those 3 years of training,ie,the ones who couldn't reach a battle power in the millions shouldn't show up.<br />They showed up to fight specially Tenshinhan.<br />Obviously, anyone out of the millions or bellow Freeza's supressed battle power who was at least above 3 millions would get in the way.<br /><br />Its just for the series to retain any form of logicality, he needs to be in the low millions. An attack being x500 is farfetched, but no more than the SSJ2 multiplier on many lists. But an attack being x30,000... anyone who says Tien is in the low hundred thousands, clearly hasn't got their head around the utter stupidity of this multiplier. I mean my god, its higher than most Potara and SSJ3 put together, and in many cases x10 that. <br />Tenshinhan was ready to fight with Goku & Piccolo right in the city, and it would be absurd to even consider he's not flirting with at least a Battle Power over a million in a fight with guys stated to "make Freeza seem like a weakling", as Goku puts it.<br />Tenshinhan went from being outclassed by Old Daimao, to being equal to a weighted Goku after training under Kami/Popo for 3 yrs, who was quite a bit stronger than Young Daimao. Tien can increase a whole lot, easily. He's not restricted to anything.<br /><br />Tenshinhan didn't go into the room of spirit and time, because he KNEW his power was useless compared to the others by that point. This didn't stop him from training and showing up for the Androids after feeling Freeza's supressed power level who was certainly above 3 millions.<br /><br />Tenshinhan got harder training from Kaio, and was there for way longer than Goku. He also had others there with him. Tenshinhan got a way bigger increase than Goku from Kami's training with shorter time (3yrs for Goku and 6 months for Tenshinhan) during the training, so there's canon evidence of it being possible; the same can be applied here. He was easily above Ginyu by the time the Trunks saga arrives. Kaio's training is that good.<br /><br />Tenshinhan always has shown that he could make leaps in power in a short amount of time. This point isn't any different--and actually makes sense considering he had 3 years to prepare.<br /><br />Tenshinhan doesn't even needs sparring partners,cos he can split in 4 bodies getting stronger training on his own. However, regardless, he still trained and came to the decision that Chaozu "wouldn't be able to keep up" with the upcoming battle.<br /> All of that shows that Tenshinhan was at a respectable enough level to think he can keep up. Clearly over 1 million!!!!!!!!!!! Or does he think he can keep up without even finishing the 100,000 range? lol<br /><br /><br />Plus,Gohan is put in the same category (None of you can beat the Android) as Tenshinhan by Piccolo. The only one worth mentioning is Super Saiyan Goku.<br />A power above 100% Freeza.<br /><br /><br /><br />Tenshinhan can make up any special training routines that would make a significant difference supported by the fact that Tenshinhan<br /> outrights states that he will adapt Kaio's training to go along with his own training making him incredibly strong in the several millions.<br /><br />Once again, based on Tenshinhan's increases we see this:<br /><br />Before: Tenshinhan was weaker than Old Daimao<br /><br />After 3 years: Tenshinhan became equal to Weighted Goku and stronger than old Daimaoh<br /><br />This is all after Tenshinhan trained under Karin for a bit and training with Chaozu. That's a huge increase.<br /><br />Before: Raditz stronger than goku and Piccolo by a long shot<br /><br />After: Tenshinhan stronger than Raditz by a long shot<br /><br />Tenshinhan after training in much less time compared to Goku surpasses Raditz. Those are all examples of Tenshinhan exceeding normal training methods when he was at a disadvantage. It happened. With Kaio, he had longer and harder training than Goku, so Tenshin being in the millions it is a Fact.In dragonball, it was shown that he's equivalent to goku in power gains.<br /><br /><br />Tenshinhan always trains hard,and he still invents new things and find new methods to get stronger. He felt he was capable of getting far more stronger then goku did on king kai. It's obvious that Tenshin got at least a third of an increase as all the hardcore saiyans and nameks got.<br />He'd keep on breaking his human limits as he did as early as dragonball time. Mastering the shin kikoho brought his raw ki up in a rapid succession. There are a ton of reasons how or why he could get that strong.<br /><br />Assuming he's less than 1 million because he's a human is retarded.<br />He isn't a regular human,Tenshin has alien ancestry and Krillin went from below 2,000 to around 75,000 in a single day,besides that concept of human is wrong,humans couldn't make ever what krillin did in the 21 World tournament let alone what happens after Raditz's arrival.<br /><br />The mere fact that he can produce an attack over a hundred times his natural power already means we shouldn't bound him by normal human or even saiyan logic. He has shown to be as good as Goku in training conditions. He was shown to get over 7x stronger in one year of fierce training. If he really wanted, he could even use multi form and beat himself/make himself his own training partner and get incredible mind boggling increases off of that. The possibilities are limitless. And of course "Plot" shows Tenshin became that strong.<br /><br /><br />The fact that I've shown Tenshinhan canonically exceeds natural gains, even when at a disadvantage, shows he can make great gains regardless. And Piccolo actually was willing to have Tien come along with him with the idea of fighting Cell. Once again, assuming he's less than 1 million just because it doesn't comply with faulty calculations is retarded.<br /><br /><br />Question:Lets say Tien's 1,000,000. To get to 1,500,000, he'd have to increase his power by 500,000.<br /><br />Answer:Are you fucking retarded????<br />By that point, that's not much of an increase at all. Going by points, Piccolo gained an unbelievable amount of them meaning that he went from 1 million to over or equal to 150 millions. He can be a namek, super namek, whatever--but increasing 150 millions is a ton. Tenshinhan can get a 10 fold increase and still be far behind all of them. Gohan was also pretty weak, so his throw down with Super Saiyan Goku & Piccolo wasn't nearly as effective as Piccolo's.<br />Tenshinhan being a human(he isn't) has no relevance to it, because he can get more out of a year than what Goku did in 8 full years of namek training system. He also had tougher training with Kaio for 266 days, so his training was totally different from Goku's and not comparable.<br /><br />Kaio claimed training on his planet was the equivalent to thousands of years of training on earth. Tenshinhan trained on this awesome planet for 266 days(more than 6 months) after doing a lot more in 6 months on earth than goku in 8 years.<br />So just imagine what he did while receiving more intense training than the Saiyan and staying longer than goku in that planet.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Cell was not obviously caught off guard<br /><br />Cell is talking to #18, then suddenly senses a massive power above him. It's Tien charging the N-Kikoho!!!<br /><br />Despite having reflexes in the billionths of a second range, Cell is surprised so badly by Tien that he stands still as Tien cries out Shin Kikoho, and then is smashed into a hole by the attack!<br /><br /><br /><br />After being smashed into the hole, Cell gets up and eyes his opponent with an evil look. Believing Tiens first strike to be his last, he utters the words "Damn You" before a second strike smashes him yet again!<br /><br /><br />By now, anyone with half a brain(let alone someone with the intelligence of Piccolo) would have realized this could continue for a while. As such, Cell realizes that Tien will continue to strike for multiple attacks. Whilst still flinching from the second strike, Cell is blasted again(or twice again)!<br /><br /><br /><br />Cell sees the Androids escaping, " I better escape NOW!" he thinks...<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">MFG dumb old theory</span>:<br />Cell was not hurt from Tiens Shin Kikoho's, he was just merely pushed back for a couple of minutes<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">DBZ fan with a brain</span>:<br />OMFG are you fucking retarded???<br />He is covered with either scratches, burns, or dirt. He could easily be hurt from the attack, also note how there is smoke coming from his body.<br />SK It doesn't drain life force, that was a viz mistake. It’s just a very powerful attack, that like all ki attacks if it is used too much will be detrimental to your health.<br />Again you have been taken apart!!!!!<br />obliterated!!!!!!! Smashed to pieces!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><br />MFG dumb old theory:<br />the Kikoho is a unique technique that does so at such an alarming rate, it is dangerous to the users health.<br /><br />DBZ fan:<br />Fucking dumbass, if Goku spammed 20 kamehameha's he would collapse also.<br />Keep throwing this nonsense at me, and I'll keep taking you outta the park like Pujols!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">MFG brainless dumb old theory:</span><br /><br />Tien being 150,000 by the Buu Saga IS an increase that is worthy enough for a mere human who never received RoSat(room of spirit and time) training, or training over x10 Earths gravity.<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">DBZ fan with a brain:</span><br />That's why you get bitchslapped and taken apart on the regular dumbass!!!!<br /><br />Tenshinhan made a special training to the androids saga and he used a special weighted outfit(it is in the manga)probably given by Kaio.<br />Ten is not a kid anymore he doesn't need a sensei to train anymore, that's why he created something big like shin kikoho.Every time the z-senshi trained for a battle all of them had a big increase in power,that is the standard.<br /><br />Kame sennin and kami,both explained that training with a master under special conditions and then following with their own regiment to improve even more was the key and a standard repeated several times through Dragon ball and gravity training is not reliable for nothing.<br />Goku abandoned gravity training and vegeta trained in 150 after mastering 300.<br /><br />Actually if Goku were able to train in 100xG (before namek), he would weight near 10 tons in the gravity chamber. And it seemed ridiculous that he was considering the 10 tons that the other Kaio suggested, to be impossible for him, and needed to turn SSJ... These 40-tons seems ridiculous for many reasons.<br /><br />Plus, daizenshuu (and manga) suggests that Tenshinhan was in the millions if listen what he said when goku was fighting Freeza and add kaioken theory according to daizenshuu<br /><br />Why do you bring the word logic,what happens happens, cause Akira wanted it to happen, there are many things including pl's without logic in dragon ball so what?<br />Piccolo's increased is not due to his fusion with Nail and training with Goku or else (if we take goku)he would be a match for sayans after those 7 years, considering his fusion with kami, plus goku ssj was a lot stronger than base piccolo,he just couldn't keep up with him so goku has nothing to do with piccolo's increase.<br />Base piccolo during namek battle=1 million and base goku= 3 millions.<br /><br />Again Gohan trained with ssj goku too and he could not go to ssj level actually he is mentioned by Piccolo as being close to Tenshinhan and Krillin in power,but on the other hand Piccolo who also trained with ssj goku was comparable to a ssj.<br />You got smashed again!!!!!!<br /><br />Raditz trained his whole life on gravity and still he was a weakling.<br />The true is that everyone increases faster on dbz regardless how they train.<br /><br />You can't apply db increases to dbz, everything became different, everyone increases faster than ever, that's why<br />all the months.<br />I didn't see an exception for the humans z-senshi who improved 732% in a few months <br />I didn't see an exception for the humans there.<br />It is obvious that goku and piccolo are better,but piccolo<br />was a namek and gohan a sayajin in the sayan saga and they were close to the humans.<br /><br />What some guys are saying is that piccolo <br />without nail couldn't reach the millions and that is retarded.<br /><br />Now put that in your pipe and smoke it DUMBASS!!!!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;"><br />MFG dumb old theory:</span><br />What proof do you have that he did special training? There's nothing of the sort ever mentioned. Weighted clothing only works to an extent, hence Goku/Vegeta resorting to higher Gravity, and Ten most definitely reached that extent. His 3 years of training could not have been that incredibly productive to bring his powers from the thousands into the millions. That is, once again, just going by the logic established in the series and ignoring Toriyama 's typical haphazardness.<br /><br /><br />Answer:<br /><br />Are you fucking retarded???????lol<br />He did special training, because he prepared himself to fight<br />in a big battle against someone stronger than freeza.<br />And everytime z-senshi train to a big battle all of them got a big increase.<br />Besides he wanted to test his limits,plus how can you ignore his special outfit?<br /><br />Read and understand and don't just fly off at the mouth with jibberish!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">MFG dumb old theory:</span><br /><br />Having an aid or master help you train has nothing to do with how old or mature the character is. Goku is twice the fighter Ten is and he still makes use of Kaio-sama to help him in his training. And I'm not saying Ten didn't get stronger; just that he didn't increase his power into the millions.<br /><br />Answer:<br />Listen you dumb stinking rat,do you enjoy being made to look stupid???<br />You miss the fucking point that none of them needs a master at that point.<br />Goku ignored gravity training during those years,so there is no reason why Ten could not do the same.<br />i don't know why do you think millions is such an amazing number to achieve in dbz universe for a z-senshi which is a fucking heroe without fusion or ...well again gravity is not the main thing.<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">MFG dumb old theory:</span><br /><br />What they meant is that is grow as a fighter but for increasing their power, any aid is preferable to no aid. Goku wouldn't have gotten as powerful in the 7 years of peace if not for Kaio-sama's aid. Besides, you are missing the entire point. All the massive increases that put Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo into the millions were either incredible training conditions, or genetic gifts. Goku/Vegeta abused Zenkai's and gravity training and Piccolo took advantage of Nails fusion. Ten doesn't have either of these<br /><br />Answer:<br />What they meant is that a z-warrior, a martial artist like them doesn't need a master all the time to improve a lot.<br />They are grown men and they are smart enough to do it by themselves, that's why Ten said he couldn’t surpass Goku by doing the same training as him and that all he could do was quickly grasp just the point of his training and finally uniquely refine his techniques.<br /><br />And during those 3 years the only guy using gravity is vegeta. Piccolo didn't have incredible training conditions and still he managed to improve so many millions.Plus, goku didn’t use kaio's aid or gravity to train in those 3 years like Tenshinhan and all of us know that goku did astonishing progresses.<br />Vegeta didn’t have anybody to help him and became extremely powerful,so your point fails hard.<br />Again you have been taken apart!!!!!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">MFG dumb old theory:</span><br />Goku didn't abandon Gravity training, he just never had the opportunity to take advantage of it again or had something better at his disposal. In the three years before the Cyborgs he was training Gohan. There was only one Gravity Chamber anyways and Vegeta was using it. After that, he used the Room of Spirit and Time which is far superior to the Gravity room anyways. Then, he died, and was training in the After-life and I'm pretty sure they lack Gravity Chambers there. The only time he could use it was during the 10 years after the defeat of Buu but we know so little about that period that it's pointless to speculate whether he did or didn't.<br /><br />Answer:<br />And the nominees for THE I GOT BITCH SLAPPED THE HARDEST FOR 2WAY THUGGING AWARD are...MFG crazy dumb member.<br /><br />Goku abandoned Gravity training period, if gravity was the big thing he just could ask Bulma to make a new one for him<br />and he wasn't just training gohan, he trained himself to become stronger than ever like piccolo and as you can see<br />piccolo's increase proves that all of them got a big boost.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">MFG dumb old theory:</span><br /><br />The 40 ton thing when goku was training to the 25 World tournament is irrelevant to this conversation<br /><br />Answer:<br />Again trying to ignore the facts dumbass and twist the reality.<br />You fail again!!!!!!!Actually it is crucial and clearly proves that Toriyama wasn't thinking about gravity as the only way to improve<br />or else Toriyama wouldn't make a mistake like that.<br />Worse, vegeta was training in 150 after mastering 300 in those 7 years.<br /><br /><br /><br />Meaning that when Goku trained at 10x earths gravity (and mastered it) on Kaio's planet, his base powerlevel went up to "over 8.000". Now when he travelled to namek he mastered training in 100xG. But after this training his power level was stated to be "About 85,000". So by training in 10x (100xG) the earlier gravity training, which was 10xG, his powerlevel went about 10 times up... So theoretically (with a linear relation) Goku in SSJ form, where his PL was about 150 million should be able to train in about 150.000xG! Toriyama didn't think about this after the Freeza saga, because Vegeta's training in 100xG ruins this theory.<br />Actually if Goku were able to train in 100xG (before namek), he would weight near 10 tons in the gravity chamber. And it is ridiculous that he was considering to lift the 10 tons that the other Kaio suggested when , to be impossible for him, and needed to turn SSJ... These 40-tons are ridiculous for obvious reasons.<br /><br /><br />In daizenshuu 7 Page 119 <br /><br />"Just, there cannot have a big difference between the base fighting potential and his original base (powerlevel)to use it , and if the fighter persists in carrying out a very powerful kaioken his body can explode under the effect of a powerful energy discharge.<br /> <br />For the one whose fighting potential reaches 8.000 the limits to use safely kaioken must be the double, that is to say 16.000.<br />For the one who has a potential of 3.000.000 kaioken can<br />increase his powerlevel ten more times " <br />The text about kaioken also states that kaioken uses life force<br />French daizenshuu also states that neo kikoho is a stronger version from kikoho. <br />But, above you could read that if you use an attack with life force and your power level is too low,your body will explode.<br />Regarding daizenshuu is clear to me that this text suggests that Tien had a power level in the millions.<br /><br /><br /><br />It clearly states that your body can explode<br />if you use an attack who is a lot stronger than your base power level<br />ex:Goku to use safely his kaio ken x 10 had to reach 3 millions.<br />So shin kikoho is a lot more powerful than kaioh ken x 10 or 20 and if Ten's body didn't explode it is obvious that<br />he had a pl in the millions.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;"><br />Dumb MFG old theory:</span><br />But Piccolo's power is most definitely due to the Nail fusion. There's no debating that at all. Without the Nail fusion he's weaker then 1st from Freeza, with the fusion he's superior to 2nd form Freeza and has a power level around 1 million. There's not question that the Nail fusion did wonders for his power. And when I mention training with Goku I mean the 3 years before the Cyborgs, not the 7 years after Cell's defeat. <br /><br /><br />Answer:<br />I'm trying to say that if the fusion with nail is what made him increase so much during those 3 years, tell me why he couldn't keep up with goku and vegeta after a fusion with kami and 7 years of training.<br />Plus,Gohan who has more potential than Piccolo and trained with Piccolo and ssj Goku was miles away from Piccolo.<br />Actually Piccolo says that Gohan Krillin and Tenshinhan belong to the same branch of power,ie,several millions.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;"><br />Dumb MFG old theory:</span><br />Which further backs up my stance that once you get used to one method it no longer becomes benificial (Ten's weighted clothing) and that it takes extreme training conditions to give these massive leaps of power. Something Ten didn't have.<br /><br />Answer:<br />Actually is the opposite,cos piccolo used his weighted clothing during those 3 years and you don't know how much <br />weight had that outfit.<br />Ten had his extreme training conditions created by himself with everything he learned in the past?<br />Piccolo didn't have your "special conditions" either and he increased at least 100 milions.<br />Again gravity is not reliable to prove nothing.<br />So it makes sense that apart from Vegeta all of them had their personal intensive<br />conditions.<br />In piccolo's case gravity wasn't an issue to improve.<br />Simply Toriyama didn't care about those details.<br />You got clapped down again!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hailthe king. Kneel down and kiss the wilson pro staff!!!!!!<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">MFG dumb old theory:</span><br /><br />Because they received both new and more intense training during this part of the story<br /><br />Answer:WOW you are definitely naturally retarded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Yeah,they received intense training by themselves provided by everything they have learned in the past,in Tenshinhan's case Namek training system and Kaio's training system the best in the Universe.<br />There isn't anybody else to provide extra teachings like in the preparation for the 23 BT where Ten managed to surpass Piccolo daimaoh, former main villain at the time training by himself.<br />Goku trained alone too for the 22º BT.<br />The only guy who used high gravity was vegeta so you can't exclude all the others.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">MFG dumb old theory:</span><br />Because they hadn't taken advantage of their genetic gifts, the Zenkai's and the fusions, and they didn't use the extreme gravity training yet. Before the Saiyan arc weighted clothing was the ultimate thing in personal training. Once the alien races started taking advantage of their gifts they destroyed the humans and that is my point. You can't sit there and look at Goku or Piccolo's increases and say that Ten probably made the same advancements.<br /><br />Answer:<br />Piccolo didn't use extreme gravity training ever.<br />What destroyed the humans was ssj transformation and piccolo fusion with kami.<br />That's why Ten didn't accept to train in the rosat(room of spirit and time),but he accepted to train for the android saga and obviously he was confident that he could be useful.<br />What same advancements?<br />I'm saying that if piccolo improved 100 millions without fusions or gravity why Ten couldn't improve 20 millions?<br /><br /><br />MFG dumb old theory:<br />Without Nail or Kami he probably would be hard pressed to do so. After all, as you pointed out, Piccolo and the Humans were rather close before he started took advantage of the Namek Fusion.<br /><br />Answer:<br />I see it this way,if there isn't a fusion with nail and let's say piccolo has 150 millions after those 3 years.<br />You just take from him 1 million,the power level he gained from the fusion with nail.<br />there you go piccolo without nail would have 149 millions.<br /><br />Finally, daizenshuu states that Shin Kikoho is a stronger version from the previous Kikoko and in the manga it isn't stated that he used life force,so if you add this<br />to the statement about goku saying that he needed to reach a pl of 3 millions to use kaioken x10 to avoid self destruction, goku's body could explode.<br />I cannot see how Tien's body (Ten uses an attack stronger than kaio ken x20) could sustain such a massive attack without explode himself to pieces considering that goku's body could explode with a weaker boost increase. <br /><br />Plus,You don't know how shin kikoho works,both are dangerous, both can kill you and daizenshuu clearly suggests that both follow similar principles if you think about ten's statements in kaio's planet about mixing kaio's teachings with his techniques everything is solved.<br />Plus, Tenshinhan knows how much ki goku needed to use kaiokenx10 and he was not impressed.<br />Basically, it makes all the sense that if you need 3 millions to use an attack who improves your power level 10<br />times,shin kikoho who improves a lot more than 20 would force you to have a pl above that.<br /><br /><br /><br />Nail on Piccolo after 6 days on king kai:<br />"You have an astonishing amount of power" and Piccolo basically agreed.<br /><br />This puts Piccolo above Nail after 6 days on king kais if you ask me. This all also happened after Nail sensed the power of Captain Ginyu.<br /><br />Now lets consider that Ten was on King kai 260 days,254 days more then Piccolo,that makes his Pl after king kai rather VERY high.<br />Considering piccolo progression during those 3 years and the fast pace everyone increased in dbz like in the sayan saga or just the fact that 158 days on Kaiô-sama's planet=several thousand years of training on Earth it is possible that piccolo surpassed nail.<br />Remember if there isn't a quote saying that Piccolo fought like a ssj against c-20 everyone would say that piccolo had a pl around 12.000.000 using real world logic.<br />Dbz logic is quite different.<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory:</span><br />Gravity isn't the only way but it helps immensely. Any and all increases that put the characters at these absurd power levels were either due to absurd training situations (Kami's weighted clothing, 10x gravity, 100x Gravity, 300x Gravity, Room of Spirit and Time, the After-life) or were due to the character taking advantage of unique genetic gifts. (Namekian Fusion, Zenkai's, SSJ forms)<br /><br />Answer:<br />Not again dumbass!!!!!!!<br />Actually my point is crucial and clearly proves that Toriyama wasn't thinking about gravity as the only way to improve<br />or else toriyama wouldn't make the 40 ton mistake .<br />Worse,vegeta was training in 150 after mastering 300 in those 7 years.<br />You also ignore the fact that Goten or Future Trunks who didn't train under gravity 10 100 or 300 managed to reach ssj level in the Earth as you can see gravity isn't an issue for a big boost in Toriyama's mind or in what is presented in the manga.<br />Future Trunks also is fighting in ssj form against base gohan and he never trained on gravity and base gohan in his base form is playing with him.<br /><br />I can't see nothing absurd about a z-warrior or an heroe in the story reaching a pl in the millions,it is just a number.<br />There isn't nothing that suggests something like hello,if you want to cross the 1 million mark please show us your zenkai,assimilation or gravity 100.<br />You seem like those early idiots from MFG who believed that a ssj had 15 millions.<br />Basically you are saying that piccolo invited Tenshinhan to train in the rosat,because he is a nice guy.<br />No,Piccolo is a genius and he is not the favour guy type.<br />He invited him,because Tenshinhan had a pl in the millions,later in buu's saga majinbuu<br />with Piccolo's brains calls him pretty strong and considering that he had z- warriors as a reference he learly was in the millions and<br />no,he wasn't thinking in the humans with 5 or 10 units,cos he had piccolo's knowledge.<br />Goku wanted to make a fusion with<br />Ten,that doesn't make any sense if the guy is out of millions. He would lose power.<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory:</span><br />Gravity was one of the reasons Goku increased his power from 400 to 8,000. Gravity was the sole reason Goku increased his power to 90,000. Gravity is the primary reason Vegeta surpassed Goku in the 3 years before the Cyborgs. Gravity is half the reason the Room of Spirit and Time is so good. Gravity is the reason Vegeta gained SSJ2 during the 7 years of peace. High Gravity training has been clearly shown to aid immensely.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Answer:</span><br />Do you enjoy being made to look stupid???<br /><br />We saw those effects on piccolo when in the earth he improved more than 100 millions or when goku trained 1 month in the rosat(room of spirit and time) during his preparation for the 23ºBT.Gravity on rosat was around 50.<br />What happened???lol<br />You just got your dumb theory destroyed, logically gravity wasn't an issue,plus vegeta was training in 150 after mastering 300 in those 7 years.<br />Vegeta is the only one using gravity,because he is the only character at the time who can surpass goku.<br /><br />You got obliterated put back together so I could obliterate you again!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory:</span><br />Goku didn't do much better during the 3 years he traveled the world between 21st and 22nd tournament. And Vegeta, taking advantage of training in high Gravity, increased his power level by the millions. Which method seems better to you.<br /><br />Answer:<br />OMFG you are lost in your retardation!!!!!!<br />Goku improved a lot by dragon ball standards.<br />In dbz parameters changed,they are not fighting anymore against humans.<br />They are fighting against aliens and against enemies where formers levels and rate increase became irrelevant.All of them need to improve a lot more to stay in the story.<br /><br /><br />You confuse dragon ball increases with dbz increases,<br />things changed in dbz,that is the reason why the humans improved in a few months from 250 to near 2000 in the Earth.<br />They are capable to improve by themselves in the earth.<br />I'm sure that if there isn't nappa's statement saying that saibamen had a pl around 1200,you would say that the saibamen were weak and that there is no way the humans could improve so much in a few months.<br />Plus,these guys are not regular humans,a normal human can make the feats presented in the world tournaments by the z-heroes.<br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory:</span><br />So Goku going from 8k to 90k had absolutly no effect on the humans being left in the dust. Vegeta going from less then 3 million to being able to dent #19's face had no effect on the Humans being outclassed?<br /><br />Answer:<br />How is that if piccolo in just 6 days managed to surpass nail,all of them trained together there is no reason to believe that the humans didn't get an huge increase there like in the sayajin saga.<br /><br /><br />Dumb MFG old theory:<br />Your entire argument is assuming Piccolo got into the 100 millions. There's nothing to back that up. We don't even know if #19 and Gero were stronger the Freeza and odds are they aren't.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Answer:</span><br />OMFG it is a fact that A-20 and A-19 were the original main androids,but Toriyama's editor asked for a new ones and Toriyama made A-17 and A-18,so the odds say that they were stronger than Freeza 100%.<br /><br />And no,i already explained you the issues with gravity and the general progresses everyone did training for the sayajins.<br />Yes,krillin's statement proves that piccolo was in a ssj level.<br />If you choose to ignore it,because disproves your theory that is another story.<br />Piccolo going from over 1,000,000 to the Super Saiyan-tier (100,000,000+?) in three years or Tenshinhan and the gang doing better at Kami's half of the time without weights in a year than Goku did in 8 years of supreme namek training system. It shows that you gain power faster, the higher you get.This is what happens in dbz with everyone who belongs to the z-group.<br />Even, if they are weaker than freeza 100%,obviously, Android 20 was that strong, then it means 19 is even weaker(stated in the daizenshuu). SSJ Goku would've wasted 19 in a matter of seconds, seriously. He was being slowed down, but he was still powerful. No one that weak would be strong enough to be slapped around that much.<br />Goku was kickin the shit out of 19 before he absorbed anything. Even Piccolo said Goku was rushing the battle.<br />Goku was out of breath when they arrived, but when he transformed into SSJ, Tien was amazed, so we know he's still powerful. It was stated Goku's energy dropped when he fired that beam.<br /><br /><br />Tell me, why did Tien, expert in martial arts, self train if partner training is 10x better? The answer: It's not.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory:</span><br />Fusing with Tien>Fusing with Hercule or Dende<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;"><br />Answer:</span><br />It is a shame that tenshinhan was the only guy presented by goku as the only valuable option.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory:</span><br /><br />Uh, yes. Piccolo respects Ten as a fighter and was willing to give him a chance in the Room of Spirit and Time. Ask yourself this: If Ten wasn't standing right next to them do you really think Piccolo would have flown down to wherever Ten was and made the same offer? Of course not.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Answer:</span><br />This is not our world or a real life moment,this is a cartoon, Toriyama puts Tenshinhan there,he had the power to take him out or even not use piccolo to make that suggestion or even not make that suggestion at all.<br /><br />Get over it dumbass!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory:</span><br />No, but he does show respect and Kami is the kind of guy that is generous and give favors.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Answer:</span><br />OMFG how can you keep making these dumb biased statements????lol<br />You fail, kami is gone, piccolo’s personality is in charge now,and he is not going to make kind suggestions.<br />Owned again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory</span><br />Re-read the part. Goku brought Ten up as possible replacement after Gohan got absorbed. He also brought up Dende; Is he now in the hundreds of millions too?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Answer:</span><br />Again fucking with mindless shit imbecile??lol<br />You are the one who needs to re-read that part, he made objections to dende and mister satan,the only guy regarded as valuable in that situation it was tenshinhan.<br />You love to be taken apart about the same subject over an over again.<br /><br /><br />If you look at dragon ball as a whole the trigger who takes an heroe to an astonishing improvement is a big battle.<br />The enemies changed in dbz and logically all of them will make big leaps. But they can't compete with a ssj,that is different.<br />I'm saying that ten had several millions by the reasons expressed above including manga and daizenhuu quotes.<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory</span><br /> Differnciating the two is silly.The characters were weak in Dragon Ball and got stronger when, surprise surprise, they began training in 10x gravity, an extreme condition. My point is continually backed up.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Answer:</span><br />OMFG you look like a broken record you fucking dumbass!!!!!!!!<br />When someone destroys your pathetic assumptions,let's take them out of context to look smart,lol<br />2way thugging at it's finest!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Actually,it is the only way to understand the story,surprise surprise,goku trained on room of spirit and time in db and he got almost nothing.I guess rosat(room of spirit and time) didn't have extreme conditions there.looooooooool<br />Your point is continually disproved,those idiots on MFG brainwashed you.lol<br /><br /><br />After getting bludgeoned for the umpteenth time,you should take your ass whooping like a man and comeback to your beloved circle of friends with your dumb interpretation of dbz!!!!!!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory</span><br />Yes, but not to the extent Goku or Piccolo did on Namek.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Answer:</span><br />Finally, you are opening your thick skull.lol<br />Not to the extent of a ssj Get it?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Dumb MFG old theory</span><br />Yes, it has nothing to do with them training with Kami and getting weighted clothing for the first time. EVERYTHING in a story is dictated by plot, but that doesn't mean the story doesn't also add reason along with it. Of course they got stronger because it was dictated by the plot, but the reasoning presented alongside is that Kami's training and weighted clothing allowed that increase. We are debating in-universe reasoning; not that the plot dictates increases<br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Answer:</span><br />Now,you want to use the plot as an excuse???<br />Pathetic!!!!!<br />Plot for sayajins??Fuck, all of them got destroyed by Nappa,there is no reason for a plot device here fucking idiot.<br />So, there is a plot to increase against the sayajins,but there isn't a plot to increase against the cyborgs.<br />Half of the time they trained by themselves without weights.Owned pretty bad Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />The only plot is that everytime the z-senshi train for a big battle their pl's increase a lot.<br />That training show us that everyone starts to improve faster than ever.<br />why?Because, the enemies got stronger,db ridiculous small increases are not a reference anymore,so with the new powerful enemies,new big improvements.<br /><br /><br />You need sleep. Rest and recuperate, you've been taken apart....again. You should be used to it by now.lol<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;"><br />Dumb MFG member</span><br /><br />They had different training. Goku was trained by Mr. Popo to control his chi. The Humans were trained by Kami himself to combat the Saiyans. Their training was too different to draw comparisons to.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Answer</span><br />No, it wasn't, popo knowledge came from kami and goku applied <br />those teachings during 8 years,in both scenarios they trained to survive and beat powerful foes and save the earth and half of the time tenshin and the gang trained by themselves.Actually the manga shows Tenshin training by himself there.<br />Krillin against popo,etc.<br />Owned again fuck damn it!!!!!<br /><br />Again you have been taken apart!!!!!<br />obliterated!!!!!!! Smashed to pieces!!!!!!!!!!!<br />MFG getting torn a new one!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />If it bothers you I suggest you get over it, cry me a river build a bridge and get over it!!!!!!!!!<br />This is what i call a devastating destruction!!!!!<br />MFG crazy biased members have been destructed DIRECT QUOTES. Full of lies, contradictions, backsliding and 2way thugging for everyone to see!!!!!! Don't cry now<br />you got clapped down again!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hail the king. Kneel down and kiss the dbz pro staff!!!!!!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">MFG member:</span><br />Thank you master,finally i understand the truth and how dbz logic works.<br />Some of those suckers fucked me up on MFG and i almost became a cronic dumbass.<br />Now,i'm free and thanks to you i can understand everything very well.<br />Thank you great DBZ master!!!!<br /><br />Answer:<br />No problem,some of those bastards are dumb as fuck,but there are a lot of persons who can teach you the truth.<br />Do you intend to comeback there?<br /><br />MFG member:<br />No master,because some of them even call daizenshuu staff a bunch of geeks and don't call me MFG member anymore ok,because,now i'm a former member.<br /><br />Answer:<br />Those stupid fanboys never learn,they are the geeks.lol<br />And you are right,now you are a dbz fan free from old MFG retarded baseless conclusions.<br /><br />Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Former MFG member:<br />Well done master!<br />Just to let you know,in the end of every thread about Tenshinhan, a dumbass asks every single fucking time how could Tenshinhan reach the millions.lol<br />Someone there explains,but he just keeps repeating the same old retarded bullshit"...<br />they are humans and they never made special training..."<br /><br />Answer:I know,above you already know the answer to these questions,so just forget it,it is pointless discuss with some brainless fanboys who behave like fundamentalist<br />idiots.<br />Manga this,manga that...lol,yeah the manga has some inconsistencies and thanks to the daizenshuu we can understand better dbz story.<br />Really,does anyone know what part of the brain needs to be removed to think that Tenshinhan doesn't have a power level in the millions?lolT.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-9239385040913547472009-06-12T14:57:00.000-07:002009-09-08T10:35:22.348-07:00Yajirobé power level against the sayans-V-Jump Battle powers<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi8wT3whpqbsrXNcSpLoOT6bolVnKBlmxSk6Tx2OHCMZ-VvLnBCf2V23K3eo5MppmNk9TCAakZm8S8wqBYVenNCB0qiX5YMZa9tNOnm6uujnzTQ89RVYMzjApWzd5XA-D6Qd1iWUjbN-tg/s1600-h/V-Jumpexcite_2.jpg"><img style="float:left; 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margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 301px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgxAxSqcMcgp9at3gt6X2FEypeEAFDSOnMvVt25rIjVPE1_N3AtXoUs9mm9VfXvaVdpImbVdBBKM2Mca64zrmZk8OUTHEDEq0ZVB4Bk0CiGs52BWr9NeGusyp7BJH_lEGg54MT0uO1eipg/s400/tV-Jumpobikkiri.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5379150572708486546" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The 1989 double issue of Jump (which celebrates Jump’s 21st anniversary, and contains the chapter with Goku and Vegeta’s beam struggle), the one that Daizenshuu 1 said had a thing called “Jump Heroes Retsuden” (retsuden meaning “biography”, or so I thought). As I mentioned in my timeline evaluation thread, I thought that this issue might contain the Weekly Jump interview with Goku that Daizenshuu 7’s timeline mentions. However, it seems that the “Jump Heroes Retsuden” is simply the cover of the issue (which says “The V Road of Glory! A Never-Ending Jump Heroes Retsuden!!”), which shows a parade of Jump heroes, with Goku and Gohan at the front. I guess the idea is that this line-up shows the all the different Jump heroes throughout history, and is thus a sort of biography of Jump hero-dom, or something, though I’m still trying to see if there’s some alternative definition of retsuden that would fit this cover better (the first kanji in it means line or row, and the second to transmit or go along, so I can see how that could be applied to this parade of characters). So the search to find out just what in the sam-hill that entry in the Daizenshuu 7 timeline means continues…<br /><br />So anyway, to finally get to the main topic (or thereabouts), though that issue of Jump didn’t contain the Goku interview I was hoping it might, by pure chance it did contain the feature on battle powers that Wikipedia mentioned. It is in the form of a pull-out poster type thing. On the front side it has a short DB quiz (what’s the name of the fighting race that lives on Planet Vegeta: a) Seiya-jin b) Salad-jin c) Saiya-jin), and on the back side it has the battle power thing. There’s another foldout poster too, advertising the Jump Anime Carnival, which was where the Toriyama anime “Kosuke-sama” premiered. On one side it has a picture of Toriyama and the other manga artists who attended, all wearing American football uniforms and smiling like lunatics. Fun stuff.<br /><br />The battle power thing is called “Final Warriors-Great Collection!! Cards”. The introduction is in the form of Bulma with her scouter, saying that each of the characters is given a number indicating their strength, and a symbol showing what martial arts school they’re from (there’s the Turtle school, Crane school, Demon school, God school, Kaio school, and Planet school, for Saiyans). It actually never refers to these numbers are sentou-ryoku/“battle powers”, but rather their daitai no sentou-nouryoku “approximate battle ability”. With the exception of Kame-sennin, all the numbers for characters featured in the Daizenshuu 7 battle power list match the numbers given there. This issue came out in July 1989, while Daizenshuu 7 didn’t come out until February 1996, so it seems that this was a source for the Daizenshuu 7 list, or they share the same source. The game DBZ: Kyoushuu Saiya-jin (1990) and DBZ: Super Saiya-jin Densetsu (1992) also use many of the same battle powers that were on this list and later in Daizenshuu 7.<br /><br />Son Gohan: over 2,800<br />In Daizenshuu 7 his BP for the battle with the Saiyans is given as simply “2,800”, with no “over”.<br /><br />Son Goku (15 years old): 180<br />The same as Daiz 7's entry for Goku during his fight with Tenshinhan.<br /><br />Son Goku (18 years old): 910<br />This would be him at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai. It's way higher than the 416 that Raditz originally read him as, but lower than Goku's Kamehameha during the Raditz fight ("924 and rising") so maybe that's what they were basing it off of.<br /><br />Son Goku (24 years old): over 8,000<br />In Daiz 7 the "over" part is missing.<br /><br />Kami: 220<br />This one's unique to this chart. I'd thought Kami was supposed to be stronger than Daimao.<br /><br />Piccolo Daimao: 260<br />Piccolo Daimao/Ma Junior: 3,500<br />Raditz: 1,500<br />Nappa: 4,000<br />All the same as Daiz 7.<br /><br />Vegeta: Impossible to Measure<br />It notes that “his strength is unfathomable…!!”. This was all printed while the Vegeta fight was still going on.<br /><br />Chi Chi: 130<br />The Japanese Wikipedia page for Chi Chi says that the V-Jump special has Chi Chi as 137, noting that she's on par with Kame-sennin.<br /><br />Chaozu: 610<br />Tenshinhan: 1,830<br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Yajirobe: 970</span><br />Kuririn: 1,770<br />Yamcha: 1,480<br />Yajirobe's BP is the only one not in Daiz 7. These would all be from during the fight against Vegeta and Nappa.<br /><br />Tao Pai Pai: 210<br />Cyborg Tao Pai Pai, to be exact. The Japanese Wikipedia page for Tao Pai Pai said until recently that the V-Jump special issue pegged regular Tao Pai Pai as 110, regular Cyborg Tao Pai Pai as 125, and the Super Dodon-pa as 210. Here it has 210 as Cyborg Tao Pai Pai's regular power.<br /><br />Tsuru-sennin: 120<br />Same as Daiz 7.<br /><br />Kame-sennin (Muten Roshi): 180<br />In Daiz 7 it's "139", taken from when Bulma scouts everyone's power after converting Raditz's scouter (keep in mind that 139 is supposed to be his BP at the 22nd TB; he powered up from training for the tournament, so he was weaker at the 21st TB). The text says that "he fires the original Kamehameha", so maybe this is supposed to be his Kamehameha's power?<br /><br />Karin: 190<br />Mister Popo: 1,030<br />Kaio: 3,500<br />Kuririn: 75,000 in Namek-V-jump<br />Gohan: ?; the captain says that he's normally 200,000, but he can get far stronger<br />Vegeta: 250,000 <br />All unique to this chart. This would put Kaio as being equal to Piccolo during the fight with Nappa. Popo's BP is...quite high.<br /><br />Credit goes to Herms<br />_________________T.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-47935150495135910702008-10-29T04:29:00.000-07:002010-11-26T07:08:41.060-08:00Tenshinhan versus Krillin/ Who is stronger?<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(160, 255, 255);">versus</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b>/ Who is <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>? <div class="post-header"> </div> <div style="text-align: left;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXy88H0hVx3oKQuSQm45JsF7Hw4Na3VDi4-oJkfzvLMVR0f3dgFIYTqak_lkIfmK9EQJY4RNhqqvimirBZYPawlzT9zYW4GdJInXaa6mCupxgJxR6CFeUuwsZELGUEBn3CpWCo2yTkK98/s1600-h/BlahBlahPAGE32.gif"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 260px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXy88H0hVx3oKQuSQm45JsF7Hw4Na3VDi4-oJkfzvLMVR0f3dgFIYTqak_lkIfmK9EQJY4RNhqqvimirBZYPawlzT9zYW4GdJInXaa6mCupxgJxR6CFeUuwsZELGUEBn3CpWCo2yTkK98/s400/BlahBlahPAGE32.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262546622153050978" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">This scan from the Daizenshuu states that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> descends from an alien race,The Mitsume Jins or Three Eyes .</span> No human has been shown to have 3 eyes, no human has been shown to grow an extra set of arms and no human has been shown to have the ability to make living, breathing clones. There's no other being we know of that could do that, not even Piccolo. Only <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> has those special abilities. Also take note of Roshi's reaction to Ten growing those arms.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhSJG1WkEQ89_Amcfw6WltXj5U87OYfoF90txexjP6G8p6-xClFLVXgOy32aeO_muvP9rlg4KXyFztR-wppyfuoFnxBGHx8exOaE2eqpKeN8FRilmdVp9gOBrQXDJKT2KbhthymI0T9l0M/s1600-h/fourbodies.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 244px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhSJG1WkEQ89_Amcfw6WltXj5U87OYfoF90txexjP6G8p6-xClFLVXgOy32aeO_muvP9rlg4KXyFztR-wppyfuoFnxBGHx8exOaE2eqpKeN8FRilmdVp9gOBrQXDJKT2KbhthymI0T9l0M/s400/fourbodies.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262572404742721410" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />You can tell that in all his years he's never seen anything like it before, he was shocked, confused and seemed horrified,, even Piccolo was astonished when he saw Tenshinhan's four bodies another characteristic who comes from his alien ancestors.<br />Here is the scan:<br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixLEFTpg2ZHPfQEgmoP9_8JgWm8WCx-Ab35U-XFTaod24KnCQKf6Xh1NksscDcJ2arHE1JHWdjEw2fENZmhftuYfXMSM3DZ2abnj5aNL3s_8M38lTMacZpgbyX3gD_xjZ_RZ6kyzFmNdg/s1600-h/fistoffourarms.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 256px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixLEFTpg2ZHPfQEgmoP9_8JgWm8WCx-Ab35U-XFTaod24KnCQKf6Xh1NksscDcJ2arHE1JHWdjEw2fENZmhftuYfXMSM3DZ2abnj5aNL3s_8M38lTMacZpgbyX3gD_xjZ_RZ6kyzFmNdg/s400/fistoffourarms.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262574870499401666" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> is an hybrid of his ancient ancestors and the human race, or he is of pure descendant from his alien ancestors. Anyway,we DO know that he is not a pure human. Saying otherwise would be an assumption and would be contradicted by manga proof and by the official Dragon Ball information database, the Daizenshuu.. Also, in the game 'Dragon Ball Z Tenkaichi Budokai' there is a wealth of very accurate information in bios of all the characters. Tenshinhan's states the following -<br /><br />"As a descendant of aliens, his body possesses unique characteristics which he demonstrates often in the Dragon Ball series, such as the ability to split himself into four separate fighters or sprout extra arms from his shoulders- unthinkable behavior as far as normal Earthlings are concerned."<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Tenshinhan's Heavenly Training</span><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">This scan <span style="font-weight: bold;">shows that all the fighters want training tougher than what Goku received.</span></span><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgtLoLHttt9ewQ6S1cstsC1l_apyb1zJAo3noJaUj6EpDtzWy2Fx4lTlF8XoAmjVdlO6oqHb9CLSJDx2HUR97Cd72PueozkTVQ9iyEsjuOTuJpNbXedM0lHbWCxP1HwJcGJj6tK8b_XpxY/s1600-h/tendebate2.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 254px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgtLoLHttt9ewQ6S1cstsC1l_apyb1zJAo3noJaUj6EpDtzWy2Fx4lTlF8XoAmjVdlO6oqHb9CLSJDx2HUR97Cd72PueozkTVQ9iyEsjuOTuJpNbXedM0lHbWCxP1HwJcGJj6tK8b_XpxY/s400/tendebate2.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262574569323400066" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;"> This scan shows that even at a much higher power levels, the gravity still affects them.</span><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSBDRNNZkJNT5K8BCVvZeBMDWRhty4ONlJy-EgiIJ8tozF0-D9T9uTHsojYpS7Imu_9iSpUGsVNqbeKO2LXBTwZrkDQGpLzeKtjbpdvwlG5MuTKhnIojyL5A2S1SzkYa_pRB29Dqeekpg/s1600-h/tendebate3.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 256px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSBDRNNZkJNT5K8BCVvZeBMDWRhty4ONlJy-EgiIJ8tozF0-D9T9uTHsojYpS7Imu_9iSpUGsVNqbeKO2LXBTwZrkDQGpLzeKtjbpdvwlG5MuTKhnIojyL5A2S1SzkYa_pRB29Dqeekpg/s400/tendebate3.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262576048515962066" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">This scan is about Tenshinhan's and Piccolo's extreme will to train.</span><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgrTlrvRmwLB5qkwoIvn9c1Z-zaXP5DCGMdnoEyJ-TY937xMrIwgu4oK9PqQhVcrWTqQA4i5X0UpiMRkFfUYh3iZSQMRE54pzDZ0XvD43RnOXS2R2Z2-2j0da0ANKzR0gqUCZYsJ54-Bzs/s1600-h/tendebate5.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 251px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgrTlrvRmwLB5qkwoIvn9c1Z-zaXP5DCGMdnoEyJ-TY937xMrIwgu4oK9PqQhVcrWTqQA4i5X0UpiMRkFfUYh3iZSQMRE54pzDZ0XvD43RnOXS2R2Z2-2j0da0ANKzR0gqUCZYsJ54-Bzs/s400/tendebate5.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262576608875046338" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> also has a little speech to himself about how he will train. He's very serious about this training and he's training to defeat Goku once again. Thus meaning he would train his hardest in better training conditions than what Goku received. They are all <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>, so of course North Kaio would give them <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> training conditions. This scan shows the results of Piccolo's training, even thought he trained for a short amount of time. Read Nail's dialogue.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpuqfGnG8vEIAfJN6FBHbSLw-1ar9LpZ8sCWp2atlq45Aknus6bvdboDVmtXsgIeQy4jSGSpfkJsVtknbAfG3QJoaABN7k5ZiZQUbCjjq6Q6PuUUOAs-U89HqP6t37owW50YGNZ4aCCvw/s1600-h/tendebate7.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 249px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpuqfGnG8vEIAfJN6FBHbSLw-1ar9LpZ8sCWp2atlq45Aknus6bvdboDVmtXsgIeQy4jSGSpfkJsVtknbAfG3QJoaABN7k5ZiZQUbCjjq6Q6PuUUOAs-U89HqP6t37owW50YGNZ4aCCvw/s400/tendebate7.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262577776242810418" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />In only 6 days Piccolo's power surpassed Nail who had a power level of 42.000.<br />Some love to make shit up saying that nail was comparing Piccolo with other Namekian warriors<br />just,because they can't stand the fact that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> alongside with Piccolo became very powerful in just 6 days ignoring the fact that 6 days on Kaiô-sama's planet <span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >was the equivalent to thousands of years of training on earth</span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">.<br />Again,</span>158 days on Kaiô-sama's planet= thousands of years on earth.<br />So <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> waited for the Dragonballs to recharge, twice. So, he spent 266 days on Kaiô's planet, training. If 158=3,000 years, 266=5,050 years which means more training +more years=more power and the fact that everyone in dbz increases a lot faster than before. <span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained on this awesome planet for 266 days(more than 6 months) after doing a lot more in 6 months on earth than Goku in 8 f</span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >ull years of Namek training system</span>.<span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >He also had tougher training with Kaio for 266 days, so his training was totally different from Goku's and not comparable.<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >So just imagine what he did while receiving more intense training than the Saiyan and staying longer than Goku in that planet.<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> can make up any special training routines that would make a significant difference supported by the fact that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b><br />outrights states that he will adapt Kaio's training to go along with his own training making him incredibly strong in the several millions.</span><br /><br /><br /></div><p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;" lang="EN-US">Considering Nail didn't ever bring anything about Namekian heritage or any other Nameks into the equation as he talked to Piccolo, it's a HUGE and retarded assumption to think he's comparing his battle power to them. Piccolo had to be darn powerful to impress nail. With orginal Japanese words such as:<br />"I…I’m astonished…I d…don’t know how you trained, but you’ve acquired an unbelievable amount of power…."<br />...I highly doubt a piccolo under 30,000 would be "unbelievable" to nail considering he's sensed powers over 40K and even fought freeza himself. Lets not forget that piccolo was most likely relaxed and lets not forget he had weighted clothes on when nail made his remark. </span></b><b><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;" lang="EN-US">Obviously</span></b><b><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;" lang="EN-US">, Piccolo was even <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> then Nail just by training with kaio-sama for a week. </span><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;">Yep yep!</span></b></p><p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"><br /></p><div> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; text-align: center;"><b><span style=";font-family:";font-size:12pt;color:red;" lang="EN-US" >Dumb assumption:Also, I don't believe Nail and the other namekians can sense chi as good as the Z Warriors can.</span></b></p><div style="text-align: center;"> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal; text-align: center;"><b><span style=";font-family:";font-size:12pt;color:red;" lang="EN-US" >Nail should've felt Freeza's overwhelming power, but he thought he stood somewhat of a chance against him, and was actually shocked when his attacks had no effect.</span></b></p><div style="text-align: center;"> </div><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="line-height: 115%;font-family:";font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" > </span></b></p><div style="text-align: center;"> </div><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;" lang="EN-US">Answer:Freeza can control his battle power remember? And when <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">krillin</b> was crapping his pants at freeza's battle power when he first saw him, his ki was as little as 1.5K. Of course he'd crap his pants. Nail however is a whopping 42K. Not to mention, nail's nonchalance seems to be part of his character.</span></b></p><div style="text-align: center;"> </div><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></b></p><div style="text-align: center;"> </div><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:red;">Another dumb statement:The same goes for one of the three namekians who fought Freeza's henchmen. He attacked Dodoria with a chi blast, thinking it killed him, then was shocked when the dust settled and Dodoria was unharmed.</span></b><b><span style="" lang="EN-US"> <span style="color:red;">That also needs to be taken into account when Nail's statement about Piccolo's power comes up.</span></span></b></p><div style="text-align: center;"> </div><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:red;"> </span></b></p><div style="text-align: center;"> </div><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% yellow;" lang="EN-US">Answer:Ok fucking dumbass,i guess since Vegeta, gohan and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">krillin</b> thought vegeta actually killed recooome until the dust settled means they can't sense ki well either...you just got owned non-stop.</span></b></p><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 102);">Kaio said his training would be more difficult than what he gave to Goku--and since Piccolo was much <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than Goku upon arriving, he just trained unbelievably hard in whatever regimen Kaio established for them. </span><br /></div><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Nail says Piccolo gained unbelievable power and that already places him above Nail. Since Nail's been living some of his life with a power of 42K, having a power of 42K or less is obviously "believable" to him.<br /><br />It's the same way with Post Rosat Gotenks when compared to his Pre RoSaT self. Or Future Trunks being implied to get over 50x <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> in three years with no partners and regular Earth conditions.<br /></span>Trunks claims after 3 years has gone he is <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than Gohan, so Trunks in base and SSJ have become more than 50x <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> during those 3 years.</p><div style="text-align: center;"><br /><br />Piccolo knows he's much <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> and Nail greatly compliments his power. Notice Nail's quote: "You have an astonishing amount of power." This shows that North Kaio is indeed training them harder than ever like Kami did on earth when <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> in 6 months<br />accomplished more than goku in 8 years of namek training system.<br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> came from 250 to near 2000 in just 6 months,instead goku in 8 years only managed to achieve 416,the same happens om Kaiô planet even if goku only managed to reach 8.000 Piccolo in 6 days=decades in kaiô planet surpassed 42.000 using some math and considering that<br />158 days on Kaiô-sama's planet= thousands of years on earth,here is the scan:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjIU6NH6UeItCEDcKmAEpyiDI-3dDRmXvb8HaERGqk2fcqToW4cXixSZELo327cPmg51dCjAhZYvNv4ldWJhFhyERjwU32Xi_5lN22bs3QjND4SaI5EchyphenhyphenUtn_4cyQE-gDneF6ewVt6oC4/s1600-h/DBZ_088.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 252px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjIU6NH6UeItCEDcKmAEpyiDI-3dDRmXvb8HaERGqk2fcqToW4cXixSZELo327cPmg51dCjAhZYvNv4ldWJhFhyERjwU32Xi_5lN22bs3QjND4SaI5EchyphenhyphenUtn_4cyQE-gDneF6ewVt6oC4/s400/DBZ_088.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262580895646272034" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Their training doesn't have to be shown for us to know that it's happening, we know that North Kaio is training them harder than Goku just by that scan. North Kaio wouldn't have announced that they wanted to train harder and then just not let it happen,the same already happened when Kami-sama trained them.<br />Especially with Piccolo and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> around. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> stayed longer than what Goku did, he always had sparring partners which in every case is good, he was trained harder by North Kaio, and he has an extreme will to train his hardest and do his best because he's training to defeat Goku. Now Goku trained with Kami and Popo for three years and applied the namek training system in the next 5 years,8 years of namek superior training system.<br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained with them for less than 6 months, yet he received a MUCH bigger boost in power. As the enemies kept getting <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> everyone gets <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> faster and faster than ever, Toriyama had to make the heroes get <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> received an huge boost in power from his training with North Kaio as other allies and enemies were getting <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> by every chapter.<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 102);font-size:130%;" >Again!</span><br />In the original manga,on Kaio's planet Piccolo is shown meditating,<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> is throwing punches and Yamcha is shown chasing Bubbles which means Piccolo and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> already caught bubbles and gregory and increased their speed and power.<br />So, according to Toriyama, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and Piccolo are way above Yamcha unlike the anime where we can see <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>, Yamcha and Chaozu trying to catch Bubbles at the same time.<br />Here is the image:<br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqAADH2pW5tpOdkioI4tpLs6jK36Tr2jz26D4ZCB60QUeaiM2d02pHupupsnNYR42Z2ZmT0zyr6tIwtk3dy7yDBzhYN-wUgDOkZW0jDmEud2gT7hBplnjTUNtI1ipedYjXu3k5kHukr1Q/s1600-h/225.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqAADH2pW5tpOdkioI4tpLs6jK36Tr2jz26D4ZCB60QUeaiM2d02pHupupsnNYR42Z2ZmT0zyr6tIwtk3dy7yDBzhYN-wUgDOkZW0jDmEud2gT7hBplnjTUNtI1ipedYjXu3k5kHukr1Q/s400/225.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5231889627409547122" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">In this image everyone can see that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and Piccolo were so strong that they caught Bubbles and Gregory pretty easily,only Yamcha and Chaozu had trouble to catch them.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and Piccolo were in another level,relatively close to each other at this point in the manga.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Question?How could piccolo and the others improve so much from 6 days of training and beat the ginew force?</span><br /><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Answer:Everytime Z-heroes train to fight they gain huge boosts.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Ex:goku trained 8 years under kami training system with weights and in dragon ball he only managed to come from 260 to 416 even after 1 month in the hiperbolic chamber,however,in a few months,more precisely 6 months(half of the time <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and the others trained with Kami without weights,what leave us with just 3 months of weight training) <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>, Piccolo and the others came from the low hundreds,206;250;408 to near 2.000.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">This is stated in the manga and 158 days on Kaiô-sama's planet= more or less to 3,000 years of training on Earth.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> waited for the Dragonball's to recharge, twice. So, he spent 266 days on Kaiô's planet, training.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">If 158=3,000 years, 266=5,050 years.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Some scumbags will say that "goku a sayajin only managed to achieve 8.000 before.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Yes,but,previously Goku, a fucking sayajin, after 8 years of Namek training system on Earth gravity 1 and 1 month in the hiperbolic chamber(room of spirit and time) only managed to improve a few hundreds(260 to 416),so if you apply the same principle,<br />now we have Goku training during 6 days on a gravity chamber under 100,but previously he trained under 10 g and all the others under 1 g,<br />therefore the difference in gravity between Goku and others still remains the same,more precisely 10 times higher.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">So,Goku is training again under a gravity 10 times superior to his friends,but this time Goku reaches 90.000 and his friends are above 50.000.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">That's the reason why Nail was impressed with Piccolo's power.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">In the sayajin saga where the difference in gravity is the same we have Goku with 8.000 and the others around 2.000.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">According to their retarded logic.Goku should have 40.000 after his training with Kaioh-Sama(king Kai).</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">A fucking 6.000 difference.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">After 6 days we have a bigger difference between Goku and the others,but certainly they were above 50.000 as stated by Nail,the pattern is the same.Then we have the retarded excuse about sayajin zenkais,however,zenkais are inconsistent in the manga,sometimes Vegeta should have been <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than Goku and vice-versa but it didn't happen.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Plus,6 days in king kai's planet was the equivalent to thousands of years of training on earth which means that if they improved more than 1 thousand units in a few months, now in more time(6 days on king kai planet correspond to decades),the Z- heroes will improve in thousands,that's why z-warriors</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">achieved power levels above Nail.Do you maggots understand?</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">In dbz power levels grow faster and faster for everyone(all dbz heroes) regardless how they train.</span><br /></div><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="" lang="EN-US"> The main Z warriors are relatively strong to be useful in the different arcs.</span><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Tenshinhan's Android Training </span><br /><br /><br />He returned to the mountains to train with Chiaotzu while Kuririn trained by himself at Kame House.<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained hard for the Androids whilst <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> trained moderately at best. So that means Tien would have gotten a much higher % increase than <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b>.<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained very hard, he was shown to be looking forward to testing his power before those 3 years of training.<br />By contrast, IIRC <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> and Yamcha were nervous, and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> said he was going to train at his own pace with Master Roshi. If anyone can delude himselfself into thinking <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained less than <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> from that, then fine.<br /><br />So let's compare some things. Tenshinhan's persona about training is much more serious than Kuririn's, that's just a fact. Like stated before, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained with a partner for three years while Kuririn trained by himself. Being in the mountains, there's no distractions from training. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained, ate, slept, woke up and trained again. There's no way that Chiaotzu could spar with <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> right? Wrong. Gohan sparred with Piccolo and Goku during the three years of training. There's many ways that he could have helped <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> with his psychic abilities anyhow and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">tenshinhan</b> could use his clones to fight against himself.<br /><br />All the fighters besides Vegeta were training regularly on Earth during this saga. Now why would they train like that if regular Earthly training didn't affect them? Surely if the 10x gravity on Kaio's planet barely affected <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> anymore, then regular Earth training wouldn't have any affect at all.<br />That’s to counter retards saying that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> couldn’t have received much good from his training with North Kaio because he was too strong for the gravity. Yet we see the results of their training. Gohan turned SSj pretty quickly in the ROSAT, thus meaning his base power should have improved very significantly from his Earthly training with Piccolo and Goku. Piccolo could take on Gero by himself, surprising nearly everyone achiving more than 100 millions during those 3 years , SSj Goku was strong as hell, and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> held down Cell with his ki. Here's the only manga scan of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> training with a special outfit with massive weights during that training.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhGi_knrT8BxayrIGRDRAtjeWIR_IYcNnaCHWVk1aN0qFFLGTQGb_Ut4qtrMrU8A6p65vtSZihblsS_ZZR-7QFo1WQrhe1qrvGru4Fnhc5seKlAZucxUZp9hNoCAZJCuLfsxUeqRmlp_Cw/s1600-h/tendebate23.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 249px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhGi_knrT8BxayrIGRDRAtjeWIR_IYcNnaCHWVk1aN0qFFLGTQGb_Ut4qtrMrU8A6p65vtSZihblsS_ZZR-7QFo1WQrhe1qrvGru4Fnhc5seKlAZucxUZp9hNoCAZJCuLfsxUeqRmlp_Cw/s400/tendebate23.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262584502912213026" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The Android Threat</span><br /><br /><br /><br />Seeing that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and the others showed up to fight beings that where so much powerful than Freeza shows that they were in the millions specially,because they felt Freeza’s suppressed level and afterwards Piccolo told them to not show up if they couldn’t become strong enough and that is the reason why <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> left Chaozu behind saying that he wasn't strong enough to a battle like this. He came to the decision that Chaozu "wouldn't be able to keep up" with the upcoming battle.<br />All of that shows that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was at a respectable enough level to think he can keep up. Clearly over 1 million!!!!!!!!!!! Or does he think he can keep up without even finishing the 100,000 range? lol<br />Plus,Gohan is put in the same category (None of you can beat the Android 20) as <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> by Piccolo. The only one worth mentioning is Super Saiyan Goku.<br />A power above 100% Freeza.<br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> can make up any special training routines that would make a significant difference supported by the fact that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b><br />outrights states that he will adapt Kaio's training to go along with his own training making him incredibly strong in the several millions.<br />Here you can see Piccolo's warning to <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>,<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> and Yamcha:<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDcT2JFGJMG9ch5w655CgQuBp2AhxAxXAPRMUmc3khbcKc9zez8EWG9nfp9OIhp9gR2SOlTUq44loaB8FlP6S-_WoMApEBdHWJJFo53ShuWjz1NdQOlCkRZycPJIAscOOVisNv4FFvPpU/s1600/Piccolo+warning+cyborgs+Viz+version+156+.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 267px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDcT2JFGJMG9ch5w655CgQuBp2AhxAxXAPRMUmc3khbcKc9zez8EWG9nfp9OIhp9gR2SOlTUq44loaB8FlP6S-_WoMApEBdHWJJFo53ShuWjz1NdQOlCkRZycPJIAscOOVisNv4FFvPpU/s400/Piccolo+warning+cyborgs+Viz+version+156+.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5543874274229613298" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Akira Toriyama uses his wisest member Piccolo to tell us that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>,Yamcha and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> would get to the millions during those 3 years of training,ie,the ones who couldn't reach a battle power in the millions shouldn't show up.<br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 153);">They showed up to fight specially <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b></span>.<br />Obviously, anyone out of the millions or bellow Freeza's supressed battle power who was at least above 3 millions would get in the way.<br /><br />Its just for the series to retain any form of logicality, he needs to be in the low millions. An attack being x500 is farfetched, but no more than the SSJ2 multiplier on many lists. But an attack being x30,000... anyone who says Tien is in the low hundred thousands, clearly hasn't got their head around the utter stupidity of this multiplier. I mean my god, its higher than most Potara and SSJ3 put together, and in many cases x10 that.<br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was ready to fight with Goku & Piccolo right in the city, and it would be absurd to even consider he's not flirting with at least a Battle Power over a million in a fight with guys stated to "make Freeza seem like a weakling", as Goku puts it.<br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> went from being outclassed by Old Daimao, to being equal to a weighted Goku after training under Kami/Popo for 3 yrs, who was quite a bit <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than Young Daimao. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> can increase a whole lot, easily. He's not restricted to anything.<br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> didn't go into the room of spirit and time, because he KNEW his power was useless compared to the others by that point.Actually,he said that he couldn't surpass Perfect Cell.<br />This didn't stop him from training and showing up for the Androids after feeling Freeza's supressed power level who was certainly above 3 millions.<br /><br />The fact of the matter here is that Goku picked both <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and Piccolo over Kuririn to help him with the androids. Yamcha is nearly dead and the two androids the group trained so hard for are right in front of them. They trained their asses off because of these two threats, so wouldn't it be common sense for Goku to pick the two strongest to stay with him just in case? Especially after hearing how strong they are from Trunks, and the fact that Goku couldn't sense how strong they actually were? Of course. Not only was <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> closer to Yamcha, but he was standing right next to Goku. So why is Goku going to turn and yell over at Kuririn to take Yamcha back? This scan shows it.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwNvk6dou-L7sgx-CaJdkPrhbfI0TohzVRIurmgJAqFRGc8FmRiuiLDnllRWaotGCd9h6fd5H_tm13ufO55DgnyNhoZm2chKg-P637Tt2sSSYaho7nO7Zu3yoNOjAJTLmjWl5svljOqt0/s1600-h/tendebate18.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 249px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwNvk6dou-L7sgx-CaJdkPrhbfI0TohzVRIurmgJAqFRGc8FmRiuiLDnllRWaotGCd9h6fd5H_tm13ufO55DgnyNhoZm2chKg-P637Tt2sSSYaho7nO7Zu3yoNOjAJTLmjWl5svljOqt0/s400/tendebate18.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262585473000034690" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Proof of Tenshinhan's strength can be seen with his shin kikoho. That's the power of his chi raining down on Cell. Also, I'd like to show you these two scans for multiple reasons. First the scans:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhPvOa2mJ9gSkWlwHvZSp9jJsC4UD_EJ7_jfA4C2DKsSAigyPxRQZ5Dy1vHo3yOeK4MFnJ3ekgTSUVLM6_D18E6pJe-jy5uuVu_OW5f6Up1t_AUso_EQZ1FxlQjJqhojzsg77QV9JkgTbk/s1600-h/tendebate18b.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 253px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhPvOa2mJ9gSkWlwHvZSp9jJsC4UD_EJ7_jfA4C2DKsSAigyPxRQZ5Dy1vHo3yOeK4MFnJ3ekgTSUVLM6_D18E6pJe-jy5uuVu_OW5f6Up1t_AUso_EQZ1FxlQjJqhojzsg77QV9JkgTbk/s400/tendebate18b.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262586071675276690" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtwIjCRmrFaXRJZel74HBqhf47175SL5RGn-0uw9rDQlHElUPA8FU7-IHYEGtQBltHqtoMAz59LHzT_GVj4mzsIdzrSwGTS36ELw0jkLiKPxhjJFIgAfL09z7ZCC8hwMAiPg58E2XOqMg/s1600-h/tendebate20.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 247px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtwIjCRmrFaXRJZel74HBqhf47175SL5RGn-0uw9rDQlHElUPA8FU7-IHYEGtQBltHqtoMAz59LHzT_GVj4mzsIdzrSwGTS36ELw0jkLiKPxhjJFIgAfL09z7ZCC8hwMAiPg58E2XOqMg/s400/tendebate20.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262586277914709714" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />First off, look at their stances in the first scan. They were all ready to fight the androids. This supports my assumption that Goku would have picked the two strongest fighters to stay, I mean...Isn't it common sense? Even if Goku didn't want them to fight, he'd want the strongest backup. Goku couldn't have known if the androids were going to attack them right there or not, thus why he picked the strongest to stay behind. The second scan shows Tenshinhan's new strength. Not only did he see Gero's attack coming at him, but he also dodged it with Goku. I'm not saying he was around base Goku's strength, but he has to be pretty strong to do those things. Now…Trunks, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and Kuririn arrive where Piccolo is after his skirmish with Imperfect Cell. A plan is made, one pair goes after Cell, while the other pair find Gero's lab with pupil Cell and destroys that. Trunks leads the team that will search for the lab because he knows where it is, and knows what's going on in this situation, and it's his sole duty to stop the threat of Cell in this timeline. Piccolo leads the team that will try to find Imperfect Cell. Piccolo has to pick between <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and Kuririn. He'd pick the better, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> choice to help him track down Cell, right? Of course he would. Cell is extremely strong and dangerous. Again, that seems like common sense to me. Well, anyways...Do you remember who Piccolo picked?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmhTtQU62ajgZopkkS79IW8jsEYWz0BbiZWWMkttW4fyMOwJH7inf2-Sk-Rz-rbON2VYVpG8A-jiN9pw5KZplat8pqz4ieD5sPVW-teZ_anJEvJvT7a6tAwbjfHGCsccY7Ls_oHxUOeeU/s1600/tendebate25.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 248px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmhTtQU62ajgZopkkS79IW8jsEYWz0BbiZWWMkttW4fyMOwJH7inf2-Sk-Rz-rbON2VYVpG8A-jiN9pw5KZplat8pqz4ieD5sPVW-teZ_anJEvJvT7a6tAwbjfHGCsccY7Ls_oHxUOeeU/s400/tendebate25.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5531200303146327506" border="0" /></a><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 153);"><br /><br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> that's right</span></span>!<br /><br />Remember that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> gets 1hit KO'd VS Nappa, Tien gets his arm cut off by one hit,but he is able to get up by himself . They both failed equally hard. However,this also shows how <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> was scared to fight the Androids, not intelligently holding back to use Senzu's or whatever that nonsense was.<br /><br /><br />Oh yeah, now look at this scan:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjO4Z78K9FQZOdoM8mm9tPn109aUFB7eOcHCKp625MSTquKWk9hoVcQq3jMKorbsvjWpyqktmxjDxKlQMBl909_1EwDQNSjiJsFrkDzsJ8572NAsq_tzF5ltEzg6bHn5NpCJFe4VucYZSE/s1600-h/tendebate26.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 259px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjO4Z78K9FQZOdoM8mm9tPn109aUFB7eOcHCKp625MSTquKWk9hoVcQq3jMKorbsvjWpyqktmxjDxKlQMBl909_1EwDQNSjiJsFrkDzsJ8572NAsq_tzF5ltEzg6bHn5NpCJFe4VucYZSE/s400/tendebate26.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262587551204406866" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> wanted to help pretty badly, doesn't it? The reason he didn't go into the ROSAT near the end of the android saga saga was because only the Saiyans had a chance against Perfect Cell. He STILL wouldn't have been able to help in any way even if he went in the ROSAT, thus why he didn't. He knew that the Saiyans were the only chance, and he knew that he would die anyways if they failed. There was no need for him to train for this final battle with Cell. That however does not mean he quit training for the rest of his life. That is an absurd thought,because Tenshinhan's bio in daizenshuu 7 tell us that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">tenshinhan</b> trained and dedicated his life to train and become <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(51, 0, 51);font-size:130%;" >About the ShinKikoho:</span><br />Akira Toriyama:"When it comes to battle, the most important thing is <span style="font-weight: bold;">KI SIZE</span>, and its <span style="font-weight: bold;">control</span>. Of course, <span style="font-weight: bold;">“ki”</span> also includes such <span style="font-weight: bold;">spiritual power</span> as <span style="font-weight: bold;">energy/vigor [genki] and bravery [yuuki], and being in one’s right mind [shouki] </span>(note 11). There’s a limit to physical strength, no matter how much you toughen it up, and the only way to overcome that it is with “ki”. I think that it was through turning ki into formidable power that Goku drew closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe"<br /><br />KIKOHO HAS ALL THESE THINGS<br />If it doesn't come from Tenshinhan's ki, then where does it come from? There is no external source for any of these ki attacks<br />The fact is, Kikouhou is focusing your ki directly into your hands, and releasing it. To use all of your ki would kill you (as seen in the Nappa battle), but <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> is able to control it so that he doesn't use up 100%, especially come Shinkikouhou. That's why it's dangerous because of its power; "its power" is caused by the fact that it uses up a great deal of ki, and your ki is your spirit force/etc.<br />Kamehameha is not shown to be capable of using up such large fractions of the user's ki, and thusly does not do as much proportional damage.<br />It is entirely feasible that one of his Kikouhou could be more powerful than a single attack from Piccolo or Gokuu, because neither of them possess techniques that can use such a high percentage of their power at once.<br /><br />Goku had already taken out his weight clothing by that point, and, as shown in the battle against Radtiz, besides special moves, that's the only thing which change DB Goku power level<br />Besides everything else, there's the simple fact that the Kikoho is only powerful because most of Tenshinhan's ki is used to fuel it. However, The kikoho that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> used against Buu didn't make Tenshihan die[VS Nappa], fall uncouncious[VS Cell], or even get tired[VS Budokai Arena... er... Goku].<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> IN THE MANGA ABOUT GOKU FIGHTING FREEZA AND THE USE OF KAIÔKEN: "At his level of training, he should be able to multiply his power up to a factor of 10!"<br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> sees Goku's max without straining himself to be a factor of 10, and again reiterates that the Kaio-ken still multiplies by folds.<br /><br />Goku: "I...I could try a Kaio-ken increase to 20 times...but I don't know if my body can handle it..."<br />As goku got <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> he could multiply his own power more.<br />Goku at 8,000 could only do 4x at best<br />Goku at around 3 millions could do 20x<br />Yet you couldn't possibly think goku at around 100,000 could do 20x or in Tenshinhan's case 10,000x.<br /><br />So the <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> you have <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>, the more the neo kikoho multiplier makes sense.<br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> saying he is going to use KaiôKen's techniques isn't good enough?<br />He has to both say he's going to use them. Then mention it 10 other times. Then yell Kaioken when he uses the attack. Then explain to Cell that the Neo Kikoho uses Kaioken-esk skills. Then write "I'm using King Kai's fucking Techniques' all over his muscular body, before some biased fanboys admit it?<br />The Neo Kikoho has no psychic energy in it. The name meaning itself has no mentioning of granting the user power to push or hold back foes 10,000x <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than yourself. It's a pure destructive power force that's all coming from <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>.<br /><br />And actually the kikoho can be used as proof of something. For <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> to be as weak as some of you biased retards put him, maybe even weaker than captain ginyu...lol He shouldn't be able to output 10,000x his strength 10 times in a row at all and make semi-perfect cell drool in an inescapable pit.<br />I couldn't even deal with <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> pulling off a lucky one tri-beam without going boom...but around ten times each over 10,000x his normal power??! loooool<br /><br />If you use the theory of life force (which is denied by the manga)... Then shouldn't self destructing also amp you're attack around 10,000x you're natural strength?<br />For Tenshin to be under 1,000,000 and expel an attack 10,000x his strength 10 times is far more unbelievable than thinking <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was indeed much over a million just training on earth under Sensei Kaiô training methods for 3 years.<br /><br />Toriyama disregards fanboyism over what his plot is calls for. You can clearly see this by how humans can be over 3 times more powerful in under a year when training in urgency in the saiyan saga. How is it not more believable that humans can gain this growth when training in urgency for 3 years? Thinking humans are bound by this "human wall" really is a dumb assumption. Humans have broken this wall as early as dragon ball times. They shouldn't even be called human anymore. More like super human. So comparing their growth to at least half what a saiyan's growth gain would be (without zenkai) isn't wrong at all.<br /><br />Agree that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> shouldn't be "logically" be anywhere in the millions because he's only a human and is not a saiyan nor a namekian warrior. But you guys have to remember ...humans have broken this "human wall" as early as db times. Looking at <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">krillin</b> because he's a human when he first made his appearance in dragonball you'd never think he'd be as strong as he is now. Plus <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">tenshinhan</b> has alien blood making him in a league of his own.<br /><br />Someone is going to have to give a good explanation how <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> can do a feat that android 16 couldn't even dream of doing. Being at a power level less than 100,000 as some of you retards put him and using the neo tri-beam to expel an attack 10,000x his normal strength in continuous rains of 10 times without blowing up or dying of fatigue after the first strike, simply isn't possible at all.<br />Think about it this way. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Each energy attack in Dragon Ball uses a proportionally-fixed amount of the user's "ki".</span><br /><br />If Goku has 1000 "ki points", then "Kamehameha" allows him to direct 1% of his total "ki", or 10 "ki points"<br /><br />If <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> has 100 "ki points", then "Kikoho" allows him to direct 25% of his total "ki", or 25 "ki points"<br /><br />Goku would still have more energy than <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and more physical strength because of his higher "ki rating", but <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> can direct more energy at once using the "Kikoho".<br /><br /><br /><br />Question:<br />The power of the Kikoho isn't derived from the users power, rather it multiplies its power and uses the users lifeforce. If it was Ten's own power, that would mean Ten > Artificial Human 16 +Piccolo +#17+#18 etc<br /><br />Answer:Are you fucking retarded??????????????????????There is no life force involved according to the precious manga.Furthermore,using Toriyama definition of battle power:<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">When it comes to battle, the most important thing is ki size, and its control. Of course, “ki” also includes such spiritual power as energy/vigor [genki] and bravery [yuuki], and being in one’s right mind [shouki] (note 11). There’s a limit to physical strength, no matter how much you toughen it up, and the only way to overcome that it is with “ki”. I think that it was through turning ki into formidable power that Goku drew closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe.</span><br /><br /><br />Kikoho means ki size and control,all these things are represented by Shin Kikoho.loooooool<br />Where is it stated that the "Kikoho" technique "multiplies" the power of the user? <span style="font-weight: bold;">The attack draws energy from the hidden potential</span> (similar to the "Kamehameha") and spiritual force of the user, which would mean that it's -still- using Tenshinhan's own power -- it's just ultimately fatal if overused.<br />Meaning that Tenshinhan's hidden potential would be at least in the range of a supressed semi-perfect Cell,considering that Shin Kikoho holds Cell in that form.<br /><br />Original translation from the original japanese manga who proves there isn't life force involved:<br />Kame Sennin "...The "Chi Cannon"... a move of enormous destructive force... many times more powerful than even a Kamehameha... its power is so colossal, in fact, that the drain on one's own energy is devastating... warriors have been known to die by using it... and even if one survives, one's life is shortened... that evil Tsuru-sen'nin... teaching him a move that should be never taught...<br /><br />"It's a technique with the potential for incredible destructive energy*... Several times more than even the Kamehameha..."<br /><br />*Nothing about pushing back the opponent. Hakairyoku is a pretty straightforward word (destructive energy/power). You cannot get the idea that the Kikoho is a mere pusing attack from this text.<br /><br /><br />Some biased retarded fans forget to mention that it's power comes from Tenshinhan's ki. It is a strong attack, but it's strength comes from his ki. Also, notice that that doesn't mean that Cell Saga <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> > Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, A-16, A-17, A-18 etc. It means that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> can fire ten blasts which are <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than anything those people can make and fall unconscious.<br /><br />But remember that it's still his ki, and... points to Nappa's fight... Using the kikoho(which can't be that much worse than the shin kikoho, Goku even calls that new attack only kikoho) with all his ki in one blast <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> only stops Nappa's movement, and dies. This is a worse result than the one from the blasts against Cell and he used all his ki in one blast, instead of few blasts.<br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> also doesn't looks tired after using Kikoho to deflect Buutensks energy blast.<br /><br />And before "Super" Buu kicked <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> he thought to himself "Hey, normally I just whack people with my full strength since I'm evil, but I'm only going to hit -this- guy lightly doing my hardest to not kill him since he's such an attractive man."lol<br />However,0,00001 of Super Buutenks power was above a 50% freeza.lol.<br />Its just for the series to retain any form of logicality, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> needs to be in the low millions. An attack being x500 is farfetched, but no more than the SSJ2 multiplier on many lists. But an attack being x30,000... anyone who says Tien is in the low hundred thousands, clearly hasn't got their head around the utter stupidity of this multiplier. I mean my god, its higher than most Potara and SSJ3 put together, and in many cases x10 that.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> also dodges a laser that even base Goku had trouble with, and keeps up with Piccolo(to an extent) who is in the megamillions. Thats proof right there, that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> is not /10000th of Piccolo's power. a PL: 50,000 can’t dodge with the same ability as a PL: 10,000,000+<br />Piccolo flew at top speed to assist Trunks against A-18. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> followed, also at top speed with a fuzzy aura. By some retard levels, Piccolo should have reached A-17 before <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> even left the ground. As it is, Piccolo was about 2-5 times faster at most, probably even less.<br />Another evident point is that if Gero is 30,000,000 and Yamcha is 2,000,000 then Gero becomes considerably <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>(6.6%) from absorbing him. If Gero is 30,000,000 and Yamcha is 50,000 then Gero becomes fuck(+0.16%) all <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>. Since Gero said that Yamcha is a good source of power, and not a useless and pathetic source of power,it is obvious he would be in the millions.<br /><br />Alongside with Piccolo and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> Goku said to A-20:<br />“…We’ll tear you to pieces…” and all of them were in battle stances.<br /><br /><br />dumb question: Vegeta in SSJ form deflects kikoha blast from Boo. Whats your point?<br /><br /><br />Answer:So you're implying that the difference between <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and "Super" Buu (+ Gotenks and Piccolo) is the same as the difference between Super Saiya-jin Vegeta and a less powerful form of Majin Buu? That would mean that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> is ridiculously strong and wouldn't help the position you've advocated thus far, so I'm going to assume you just didn't understand what you were saying.looool<br />Finally,future base gohan is owning easily young super sayajin Trunks<br />which means base sayajins were above 150 millions.Get over it fucking retards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!loooooooooooooooool<br /><br /><br />Once again, based on Tenshinhan's increases we see this:<br /><br />Before: <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was weaker than Old Daimao<br /><br />After 3 years: <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> became equal to Weighted Goku and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than old Daimaoh<br /><br />This is all after <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained under Karin for a bit and training with Chaozu. That's a huge increase.<br /><br />Before: Raditz <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than goku and Piccolo by a long shot<br /><br />After: <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than Raditz by a long shot<br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> after training in much less time compared to Goku surpasses Raditz. Those are all examples of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> exceeding normal training methods when he was at a disadvantage. It happened. With Kaio, he had longer and harder training than Goku, so Tenshin being in the millions it is a Fact.In dragonball, it was shown that he's equivalent to goku in power gains.<br /><br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> always trains hard,and he still invents new things and find new methods to get <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>. He felt he was capable of getting far more <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> then goku did on king kai. It's obvious that Tenshin got at least a third of an increase as all the hardcore saiyans and nameks got.<br />He'd keep on breaking his human limits as he did as early as dragonball time. Mastering the shin kikoho brought his raw ki up in a rapid succession. There are a ton of reasons how or why he could get that strong.<br /><br />Assuming he's less than 1 million because he's a human is retarded.<br />He isn't a regular human,Tenshin has alien ancestry and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> went from below 2,000 to around 75,000 in a single day,besides that concept of human is wrong,humans couldn't make ever what <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">krillin</b> did in the 21 World tournament let alone what happens after Raditz's arrival.<br /><br />The mere fact that he can produce an attack over a hundred times his natural power already means we shouldn't bound him by normal human or even saiyan logic. He has shown to be as good as Goku in training conditions. He was shown to get over 7x <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> in one year of fierce training. If he really wanted, he could even use multi form and beat himself/make himself his own training partner and get incredible mind boggling increases off of that. The possibilities are limitless. And of course "Plot" shows Tenshin became that strong.<br /><br /><br />The fact that I've shown <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> canonically exceeds natural gains, even when at a disadvantage, shows he can make great gains regardless. And Piccolo actually was willing to have Tien come along with him with the idea of fighting Cell.<span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 102);font-size:130%;" > Once again, assuming he's less than 1 million just because it doesn't comply with faulty calculations is retarded.</span><br /><br /></div><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >DBZ fan with a brain:</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><br />Seeing that Tien and the others showed up to fight beings that where so much powerful than freeza shows that they were in the millions specially, cos they felt Freeza’s suppressed level and afterwards Piccolo told them to not show up if they couldn’t become strong enough and that is the reason why <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">tenshinhan</b> left Chaozu behind.<br />Here you can see Piccolo's warning to <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>,<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> and Yamcha:<br /><br /></span><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwCg5ksECSrRCh6TbwG5jET63aJZ294EooiF9MryUgQ0-5GVL_ZaOAItlQa9B1iEh0cBdtvmFzYwG4FxLxlt5u-MQucKY26ybz0YjIUREjyuym8FjDtXwc0157YqCfqqrRlOQqHST3VDY/s1600-h/DRAGONBALL28_156+Piccolo+warning.jpg"><br /></a><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDcT2JFGJMG9ch5w655CgQuBp2AhxAxXAPRMUmc3khbcKc9zez8EWG9nfp9OIhp9gR2SOlTUq44loaB8FlP6S-_WoMApEBdHWJJFo53ShuWjz1NdQOlCkRZycPJIAscOOVisNv4FFvPpU/s1600/Piccolo+warning+cyborgs+Viz+version+156+.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 267px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDcT2JFGJMG9ch5w655CgQuBp2AhxAxXAPRMUmc3khbcKc9zez8EWG9nfp9OIhp9gR2SOlTUq44loaB8FlP6S-_WoMApEBdHWJJFo53ShuWjz1NdQOlCkRZycPJIAscOOVisNv4FFvPpU/s400/Piccolo+warning+cyborgs+Viz+version+156+.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5543874274229613298" border="0" /></a><br /><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Akira Toriyama uses his wisest member Piccolo to tell us that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>,Yamcha and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> would get to the millions during those 3 years of training,ie,the ones who couldn't reach a battle power in the millions shouldn't show up.<br />They showed up to fight specially <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>.<br />Obviously, anyone out of the millions or bellow Freeza's supressed battle power who was at least above 3 millions would get in the way.<br /><br />Its just for the series to retain any form of logicality, he needs to be in the low millions. An attack being x500 is farfetched, but no more than the SSJ2 multiplier on many lists. But an attack being x30,000... anyone who says Tien is in the low hundred thousands, clearly hasn't got their head around the utter stupidity of this multiplier. I mean my god, its higher than most Potara and SSJ3 put together, and in many cases x10 that.<br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was ready to fight with Goku & Piccolo right in the city, and it would be absurd to even consider he's not flirting with at least a Battle Power over a million in a fight with guys stated to "make Freeza seem like a weakling", as Goku puts it.<br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> went from being outclassed by Old Daimao, to being equal to a weighted Goku after training under Kami/Popo for 3 yrs, who was quite a bit <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than Young Daimao. Tien can increase a whole lot, easily. He's not restricted to anything.<br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> didn't go into the room of spirit and time, because he KNEW his power was useless compared to the others by that point. This didn't stop him from training and showing up for the Androids after feeling Freeza's supressed power level who was certainly above 3 millions.<br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> got harder training from Kaio, and was there for way longer than Goku. He also had others there with him. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> got a way bigger increase than Goku from Kami's training with shorter time (3yrs for Goku and 6 months for <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>) during the training, so there's canon evidence of it being possible; the same can be applied here. He was easily above Ginyu by the time the Trunks saga arrives. Kaio's training is that good.<br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> always has shown that he could make leaps in power in a short amount of time. This point isn't any different--and actually makes sense considering he had 3 years to prepare.<br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> doesn't even needs sparring partners,cos he can split in 4 bodies getting <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> training on his own. However, regardless, he still trained and came to the decision that Chaozu "wouldn't be able to keep up" with the upcoming battle.<br />All of that shows that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was at a respectable enough level to think he can keep up. Clearly over 1 million!!!!!!!!!!! Or does he think he can keep up without even finishing the 100,000 range? lol<br /><br /><br />Plus,Gohan is put in the same category (None of you can beat the Android) as <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> by Piccolo. The only one worth mentioning is Super Saiyan Goku.<br />A power above 100% Freeza.<br /><br /><br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> can make up any special training routines that would make a significant difference supported by the fact that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b><br />outrights states that he will adapt Kaio's training to go along with his own training making him incredibly strong in the several millions.<br /><br />Once again, based on Tenshinhan's increases we see this:<br /><br />Before: <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was weaker than Old Daimao<br /><br />After 3 years: <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> became equal to Weighted Goku and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than old Daimaoh<br /><br />This is all after <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained under Karin for a bit and training with Chaozu. That's a huge increase.<br /><br />Before: Raditz <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than goku and Piccolo by a long shot<br /><br />After: <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than Raditz by a long shot<br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> after training in much less time compared to Goku surpasses Raditz. Those are all examples of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> exceeding normal training methods when he was at a disadvantage. It happened. With Kaio, he had longer and harder training than Goku, so Tenshin being in the millions it is a Fact.In dragonball, it was shown that he's equivalent to goku in power gains.<br /><br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> always trains hard,and he still invents new things and find new methods to get <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>. He felt he was capable of getting far more <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> then goku did on king kai. It's obvious that Tenshin got at least a third of an increase as all the hardcore saiyans and nameks got.<br />He'd keep on breaking his human limits as he did as early as dragonball time. Mastering the shin kikoho brought his raw ki up in a rapid succession. There are a ton of reasons how or why he could get that strong.<br /><br />Assuming he's less than 1 million because he's a human is retarded.<br />He isn't a regular human,Tenshin has alien ancestry and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> went from below 2,000 to around 75,000 in a single day,besides that concept of human is wrong,humans couldn't make ever what <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">krillin</b> did in the 21 World tournament let alone what happens after Raditz's arrival.<br /><br />The mere fact that he can produce an attack over a hundred times his natural power already means we shouldn't bound him by normal human or even saiyan logic. He has shown to be as good as Goku in training conditions. He was shown to get over 7x <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> in one year of fierce training. If he really wanted, he could even use multi form and beat himself/make himself his own training partner and get incredible mind boggling increases off of that. The possibilities are limitless. And of course "Plot" shows Tenshin became that strong.<br /><br /><br />The fact that I've shown <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> canonically exceeds natural gains, even when at a disadvantage, shows he can make great gains regardless. And Piccolo actually was willing to have Tien come along with him with the idea of fighting Cell. Once again, assuming he's less than 1 million just because it doesn't comply with faulty calculations is retarded.<br /><br /><br />Question:Lets say Tien's 1,000,000. To get to 1,500,000, he'd have to increase his power by 500,000.<br /><br />Answer:Are you fucking retarded????<br />By that point, that's not much of an increase at all. Going by points, Piccolo gained an unbelievable amount of them meaning that he went from 1 million to over or equal to 150 millions. He can be a namek, super namek, whatever--but increasing 150 millions is a ton. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> can get a 10 fold increase and still be far behind all of them. Gohan was also pretty weak, so his throw down with Super Saiyan Goku & Piccolo wasn't nearly as effective as Piccolo's.<br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> being a human(he isn't) has no relevance to it, because he can get more out of a year than what Goku did in 8 full years of namek training system. He also had tougher training with Kaio for 266 days, so his training was totally different from Goku's and not comparable.<br /><br />Kaio claimed training on his planet was the equivalent to thousands of years of training on earth. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained on this awesome planet for 266 days(more than 6 months) after doing a lot more in 6 months on earth than goku in 8 years.<br />So just imagine what he did while receiving more intense training than the Saiyan and staying longer than goku in that planet.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Cell was not obviously caught off guard<br /><br />Cell is talking to #18, then suddenly senses a massive power above him. It's Tien charging the N-Kikoho!!!<br /><br />Despite having reflexes in the billionths of a second range, Cell is surprised so badly by Tien that he stands still as Tien cries out Shin Kikoho, and then is smashed into a hole by the attack!<br /><br /><br /><br />After being smashed into the hole, Cell gets up and eyes his opponent with an evil look. Believing Tiens first strike to be his last, he utters the words "Damn You" before a second strike smashes him yet again!<br /><br /><br />By now, anyone with half a brain(let alone someone with the intelligence of Piccolo) would have realized this could continue for a while. As such, Cell realizes that Tien will continue to strike for multiple attacks. Whilst still flinching from the second strike, Cell is blasted again(or twice again)!<br /><br /><br /><br />Cell sees the Androids escaping, " I better escape NOW!" he thinks...<br /><br /><b>MFG dumb old theory</b>:<br />Cell was not hurt from Tiens Shin Kikoho's, he was just merely pushed back for a couple of minutes<br /><br /><b>DBZ fan with a brain</b>:<br />OMFG are you fucking retarded???<br />He is covered with either scratches, burns, or dirt. He could easily be hurt from the attack, also note how there is smoke coming from his body.<br />SK It doesn't drain life force, that was a viz mistake. It’s just a very powerful attack, that like all ki attacks if it is used too much will be detrimental to your health.<br />Again you have been taken apart!!!!!<br />obliterated!!!!!!! Smashed to pieces!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><br />MFG dumb old theory:<br />the Kikoho is a unique technique that does so at such an alarming rate, it is dangerous to the users health.<br /><br />DBZ fan:<br />Fucking dumbass, if Goku spammed 20 kamehameha's he would collapse also.<br />Keep throwing this nonsense at me, and I'll keep taking you outta the park like Pujols!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><br /><b>MFG brainless dumb old theory:</b><br /><br />Tien being 150,000 by the Buu Saga IS an increase that is worthy enough for a mere human who never received RoSat(room of spirit and time) training, or training over x10 Earths gravity.<br /><br /><br /><b>DBZ fan with a brain:</b><br />That's why you get bitchslapped and taken apart on the regular dumbass!!!!<br /><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> made a special training to the androids saga and he used a special weighted outfit(it is in the manga)probably given by Kaio.<br />Ten is not a kid anymore he doesn't need a sensei to train anymore, that's why he created something big like shin kikoho.Every time the z-senshi trained for a battle all of them had a big increase in power,that is the standard.<br /><br />Kame sennin and kami,both explained that training with a master under special conditions and then following with their own regiment to improve even more was the key and a standard repeated several times through Dragon ball and gravity training is not reliable for nothing.<br />Goku abandoned gravity training and vegeta trained in 150 after mastering 300.<br /><br />Actually if Goku were able to train in 100xG (before namek), he would weight near 10 tons in the gravity chamber. And it seemed ridiculous that he was considering the 10 tons that the other Kaio suggested, to be impossible for him, and needed to turn SSJ... These 40-tons are ridiculous for many reasons.<br /><br />Plus, daizenshuu (and manga) suggests that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was in the millions just read what he said when goku was fighting Freeza,then look at kaioken theory according to the Daizenshuu.<br /><br /><br />Piccolo's increased is not due to his fusion with Nail or he would be a match for SSJFP after his fusion with Kami.</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" > Plus, Goku ssj was a lot <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than base Piccolo when they trained together.</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >Piccolo couldn't keep up with him so Goku has nothing to do with Piccolo's increase.<br />Base Piccolo during namek battle=1 million and base goku= 3 millions.<br /><br />Again Gohan(the guy with more potential among all the characters) also trained with ssj Goku too and he could not go to ssj level, actually he is mentioned by Piccolo as being close to <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> in power,but on the other hand Piccolo who also trained with ssj goku was comparable to a ssj meaning that ssj goku had nothing to do with Piccolo's increase .<br />You got smashed again!!!!!!<br /><br />Raditz also trained his whole life on gravity and still he was a weakling.<br />The true is that everyone increases faster on dbz regardless how they train.<br /><br />You can't apply small db increases in therms of numbers to dbz, because the logic behind those increases in DB or DBZ is very simple ,</span><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-size:180%;" >as the enemies kept getting <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> (like in early dragon ball)everyone gets <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> faster and faster than ever.The rate increase is determined by the enemies.<br /></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);font-size:180%;" > In dbz Toriyama had to make the heroes get <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b></span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" > faster,</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 204, 0);font-size:180%;" >because the enemies were getting <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> too by every chapter</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 204, 0);">.</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >Harder training was the key!<br /></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" > Everyone increases faster than ever!<br />There is no exception for the humans who improved 732% in a few months after<br />training with Kami,the same happens again when they train with Kaio-sama or by themselves for the Android saga.<br />It is obvious that Goku and Piccolo are better,but Piccolo<br />was a Namek and Gohan a sayajin in the sayan saga and they were close to the humans.<br /><br />What some guys are saying is that Piccolo<br />without nail couldn't reach the millions and that is retarded.<br /><br />Now put that in your pipe and smoke it DUMBASS!!!!<br /><br /><b><br />MFG dumb old theory:</b><br />What proof do you have that he did special training? There's nothing of the sort ever mentioned. Weighted clothing only works to an extent, hence Goku/Vegeta resorting to higher Gravity, and Tenshin most definitely reached that extent. His 3 years of training could not have been that incredibly productive to bring his powers from the thousands into the millions. That is, once again, just going by the logic established in the series and ignoring Toriyama 's typical haphazardness.<br /><br /><br />Answer:<br /><br />Are you fucking retarded???????lol<br />He did special training, because he prepared himself to fight<br />in a big battle against someone <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than freeza.<br />And everytime a z-senshi trains to a big battle all of them get a big increase.<br />Besides, he wanted to test his limits,plus how can you ignore his special outfit?<br /><br />Read and understand and don't just fly off at the mouth with jibberish!<br /><br /><b>MFG dumb old theory:</b><br /><br />Having an aid or master help you train has nothing to do with how old or mature the character is. Goku is twice the fighter Ten is and he still makes use of Kaio-sama to help him in his training. And I'm not saying Ten didn't get <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>; just that he didn't increase his power into the millions.<br /><br />Answer:<br />Listen you dumb stinking rat,do you enjoy being made to look stupid???<br />You miss the fucking point that none of them needs a master at that point.<br />Goku ignored gravity training during those years,so there is no reason why Ten could not do the same.<br />I don't know why do you think millions is such an amazing number to achieve in dbz universe for a z-senshi which is a fucking heroe ...well again gravity is not the main thing.<br /><br /><br /><b>MFG dumb old theory:</b><br /><br />What they meant is that is grow as a fighter but for increasing their power, any aid is preferable to no aid. Goku wouldn't have gotten as powerful in the 7 years of peace if not for Kaio-sama's aid. Besides, you are missing the entire point. All the massive increases that put Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo into the millions were either incredible training conditions, or genetic gifts. Goku/Vegeta abused Zenkai's and gravity training and Piccolo took advantage of Nails fusion. Ten doesn't have either of these<br /><br />Answer:<br />What they meant is that a z-warrior, a martial artist like them doesn't need a master all the time to improve a lot.<br />They are grown men and they are smart enough to do it by themselves, <span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">that's why Ten said he couldn’t surpass Goku by doing the same training as him and that all he could do was quickly grasp just the point of his training and finally uniquely refine his techniques.</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">From that point on, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> used Kaio's training methods to keep improving faster than ever.</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">Tenshin doesn't need his presence anymore,it is like saying that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b></span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">needs Tsuru-Sennin to use what he has learned with him.</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">Remember,</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">that after they learned Kami's style</span></span>,<span style="font-size:180%;"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">he told the humans to split and train by themselves using what they have</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:180%;"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">learned with him,ie,using his training methods.</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:180%;"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">Roshi said the same thing<span style="color: rgb(51, 0, 153);"> </span></span><span style="color: rgb(51, 0, 153);">when they prepared to the 23º BT</span></span>.<br /></p><h1 class="firstHeading"><br /></h1><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);"><br /></span></span></p><h1 class="firstHeading"><br /></h1><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" ><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);"></span><br /><br />And during those 3 years the only guy using gravity is vegeta. Piccolo didn't have incredible training conditions and still he managed to improve so many millions.</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >Plus, Goku didn’t use kaio's aid or gravity to train in those 3 years (like <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>) and all of us know that Goku did astonishing progresses.<br />Vegeta didn’t have anybody to help him and became extremely powerful,so your point fails hard.<br />Again you have been taken apart!!!!!<br /><br /><b>MFG dumb old theory:</b><br />Goku didn't abandon Gravity training, he just never had the opportunity to take advantage of it again or had something better at his disposal. In the three years before the Cyborgs he was training Gohan. There was only one Gravity Chamber anyways and Vegeta was using it. After that, he used the Room of Spirit and Time which is far superior to the Gravity room anyways. Then, he died, and was training in the After-life and I'm pretty sure they lack Gravity Chambers there. The only time he could use it was during the 10 years after the defeat of Buu but we know so little about that period that it's pointless to speculate whether he did or didn't.<br /><br />Answer:<br />And the nominees for THE I GOT BITCH SLAPPED THE HARDEST FOR 2WAY THUGGING AWARD are...MFG crazy dumb member.<br /><br />Goku abandoned Gravity training period, if gravity was the big thing he just could ask Bulma to make a new </span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >Gravity Chamber</span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" > for him<br />and he wasn't just training Gohan, he trained himself to become <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than ever like Piccolo and as you can see<br />Piccolo's increase proves that all of them got a big boost.<br /><br /><b>MFG dumb old theory:</b><br /><br />The 40 ton thing when goku was training to the 25 World tournament is irrelevant to this conversation<br /><br />Answer:<br />Again trying to ignore the facts dumbass and twist the reality.<br />You fail again!!!!!!!Actually it is crucial and clearly proves that Toriyama wasn't thinking about gravity as the only way to improve<br />or else Toriyama wouldn't make a mistake like that.<br />Worse, vegeta was training in 150 after mastering 300 in those 7 years.<br /><br /><br /><br />Meaning that when Goku trained at 10x earths gravity (and mastered it) on Kaio's planet, his base powerlevel went up to "over 8.000". Now when he travelled to namek he mastered training in 100xG. But after this training his power level was stated to be "About 85,000". So by training in 10x (100xG) the earlier gravity training, which was 10xG, his powerlevel went about 10 times up... So theoretically (with a linear relation) Goku in SSJ form, where his PL was about 150 million should be able to train in about 150.000xG! Toriyama didn't think about this after the Freeza saga, because Vegeta's training in 100xG ruins this theory.<br />Actually if Goku were able to train in 100xG (before Namek), he would weight near 10 tons in the gravity chamber. And it is ridiculous that he was considering to lift the 10 tons that the other Kaio suggested when , to be impossible for him, and needed to turn SSJ... These 40-tons are ridiculous for obvious reasons.<br /><br /><br />In daizenshuu 7 Page 119<br /><br />"Just, there cannot have a big difference between the base fighting potential and his original base (powerlevel)to use it , and if the fighter persists in carrying out a very powerful kaioken his body can explode under the effect of a powerful energy discharge.<br /><br />For the one whose fighting potential reaches 8.000 the limits to use safely kaioken must be the double, that is to say 16.000.<br />For the one who has a potential of 3.000.000 kaioken can<br />increase his powerlevel ten more times "<br />The text about kaioken also states that kaioken uses life force<br />French daizenshuu also states that neo kikoho is a <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> version from kikoho.<br />But, above you could read that if you use an attack with life force and your power level is too low,your body will explode.<br />Regarding daizenshuu is clear to me that this text suggests that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> had a power level in the millions.<br /><br /><br /><br />It clearly states that your body can explode<br />if you use an attack who is a lot <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than your base power level<br />ex:Goku to use safely his kaio ken x 10 had to reach 3 millions.<br />So shin kikoho is a lot more powerful than kaioh ken x 10 or 20 and if Ten's body didn't explode it is obvious that<br />he had a pl in the millions.<br /><br /><b><br />Dumb MFG old theory:</b><br />But Piccolo's power is most definitely due to the Nail fusion. There's no debating that at all. Without the Nail fusion he's weaker then 1st from Freeza, with the fusion he's superior to 2nd form Freeza and has a power level around 1 million. There's not question that the Nail fusion did wonders for his power. And when I mention training with Goku I mean the 3 years before the Cyborgs, not the 7 years after Cell's defeat.<br /><br /><br />Answer:<br />I'm trying to say that if the fusion with Nail is what made him increase so much during those 3 years, tell me why he couldn't keep up with Goku and Vegeta after a fusion with Kami and 7 years of training.<br />Plus,Gohan who has more potential than Piccolo and trained with him and ssj Goku was miles away from Piccolo.<br />Actually, Piccolo says that Gohan <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> belong to the same branch of power,ie,several millions.<br /><br /><b><br />Dumb MFG old theory:</b><br />Which further backs up my stance that once you get used to one method it no longer becomes benificial (Ten's weighted clothing) and that it takes extreme training conditions to give these massive leaps of power. Something Ten didn't have.<br /><br />Answer:<br />Actually is the opposite,cos piccolo used his weighted clothing during those 3 years and you don't know how much<br />weight had that outfit.<br />Ten had his extreme training conditions created by himself with everything he learned in the past,Kami style/Namek training methods and Kaio style alongside with kaio-sama training methods.<br />Piccolo didn't have your "special conditions" either and he increased at least 100 milions.<br />Again gravity is not reliable to prove nothing.<br />So it makes sense that apart from Vegeta all of them had their personal intensive<br />conditions.<br />In piccolo's case gravity wasn't an issue to improve.<br />Simply Toriyama didn't care about those details.<br />You got clapped down again!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hailthe king. Kneel down and kiss the wilson pro staff!!!!!!<br /><br /><br /><b>MFG dumb old theory:</b><br /><br />Because they received both new and more intense training during this part of the story<br /><br />Answer:WOW you are definitely naturally retarded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Yeah,they received intense training by themselves provided by everything they have learned in the past,in Tenshinhan's case Namek training system and Kaio's training system the best in the Universe.<br />There isn't anybody else to provide extra teachings like in the preparation for the 23 BT where Ten managed to surpass Piccolo Daimaoh, former main villain at the time training by himself.<br />Goku trained alone too for the 22º BT.<br />The only guy who used high gravity was vegeta so you can't exclude all the others.<br /><br /><b>MFG dumb old theory:</b><br />Because they hadn't taken advantage of their genetic gifts, the Zenkai's and the fusions, and they didn't use the extreme gravity training yet. Before the Saiyan arc weighted clothing was the ultimate thing in personal training. Once the alien races started taking advantage of their gifts they destroyed the humans and that is my point. You can't sit there and look at Goku or Piccolo's increases and say that Ten probably made the same advancements.<br /><br />Answer:<br />Piccolo didn't use extreme gravity training ever.<br />What destroyed the humans was ssj transformation and piccolo's fusion with kami.<br />That's why Ten didn't accept to train in the rosat(room of spirit and time),but he accepted to train for the android saga and obviously he was confident that he could be useful.<br />What same advancements?<br />I'm saying that if piccolo improved 100 millions without fusions or gravity why couldn't <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> improve 20 millions?<br /><br /><br />MFG dumb old theory:<br />Without Nail or Kami he probably would be hard pressed to do so. After all, as you pointed out, Piccolo and the Humans were rather close before he started took advantage of the Namek Fusion.<br /><br />Answer:<br />I see it this way,if there isn't a fusion with nail and let's say piccolo has 150 millions after those 3 years.<br />You just take from him 1 million,the power level he gained from the fusion with nail.<br />There you go, piccolo without nail would have 149 millions.<br /><br />Finally, daizenshuu states that Shin Kikoho is a <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> version from the previous Kikoko and in the manga it isn't stated that he used life force,so if you add this<br />to the statement about goku saying that he needed to reach a pl of 3 millions to use kaioken x10 to avoid self destruction,ie, goku's body would explode.<br />I cannot see how Tien's body (Ten uses an attack <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than kaio ken x20) could sustain such a massive attack without explode himself to pieces considering that goku's body could explode with a weaker boost increase.<br /><br />Plus,You don't know how shin kikoho works,both are dangerous, both can kill you and daizenshuu clearly suggests that both follow similar principles if you think about ten's statements in kaio's planet about mixing kaio's teachings with his techniques everything is solved.<br />Plus, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> knows how much ki goku needed to use kaiokenx10 and he was not impressed.<br />Basically, it makes all the sense that if you need 3 millions to use an attack who improves your power level 10<br />times,shin kikoho who improves a lot more than 20 would force you to have a pl above that.<br /><br /><br /><br />Nail on Piccolo after 6 days on king kai:<br />"You have an astonishing amount of power" and Piccolo basically agreed.<br /><br />This puts Piccolo above Nail after 6 days on king kais if you ask me. This all also happened after Nail sensed the power of Captain Ginyu.<br /><br />Now lets consider that Ten was on King kai 260 days,254 days more then Piccolo,that makes his Pl after king kai rather VERY high.<br />Considering piccolo progression during those 3 years and the fast pace everyone increased in dbz like in the sayan saga or just the fact that 158 days on Kaiô-sama's planet=several thousand years of training on Earth it is possible that piccolo surpassed nail.<br />Remember if there isn't a quote saying that Piccolo fought like a ssj against c-20 everyone would say that piccolo had a pl around 12.000.000 using your biased retarded logic.<br />Dbz logic is quite different.<br /><br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory:</b><br />Gravity isn't the only way but it helps immensely. Any and all increases that put the characters at these absurd power levels were either due to absurd training situations (Kami's weighted clothing, 10x gravity, 100x Gravity, 300x Gravity, Room of Spirit and Time, the After-life) or were due to the character taking advantage of unique genetic gifts. (Namekian Fusion, Zenkai's, SSJ forms)<br /><br />Answer:<br />Not again dumbass!!!!!!!<br />Actually my point is crucial and clearly proves that Toriyama wasn't thinking about gravity as the only way to improve<br />or else toriyama wouldn't make the 40 ton mistake .<br />Worse,vegeta was training in 150 after mastering 300 in those 7 years.<br />You also ignore the fact that Goten or Future Trunks who didn't train under gravity 10 100 or 300 managed to reach ssj level in the Earth as you can see gravity isn't an issue for a big boost in Toriyama's mind or in what is presented in the manga.<br />Future Trunks also is fighting in ssj form against base gohan and he never trained on gravity and base gohan in his base form is playing with him.<br /><br />I can't see nothing absurd about a z-warrior or an heroe in the story reaching a pl in the millions.<br />There isn't nothing that suggests something like hello,if you want to cross the 1 million mark please show us your zenkai,assimilation or gravity 100.<br />You seem like those early idiots from MFG who believed that a ssj had 15 millions.<br />Basically, you are saying that piccolo invited <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> to train in the rosat,because he is a nice guy.<br />No,Piccolo is a genius and he is not the favour guy type.<br />He invited him,because <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> had a pl in the millions,later in buu's saga majinbuu<br />with Piccolo's brains calls him pretty strong and considering that he had z- warriors as a reference he clearly was in the millions and<br />no,he wasn't thinking in the humans with 5 or 10 units,cos he had piccolo's knowledge.<br />Goku wanted to make a fusion with<br />Ten,that doesn't make any sense if the guy is out of millions. He would lose power.<br /><br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory:</b><br />Gravity was one of the reasons Goku increased his power from 400 to 8,000. Gravity was the sole reason Goku increased his power to 90,000. Gravity is the primary reason Vegeta surpassed Goku in the 3 years before the Cyborgs. Gravity is half the reason the Room of Spirit and Time is so good. Gravity is the reason Vegeta gained SSJ2 during the 7 years of peace. High Gravity training has been clearly shown to aid immensely.<br /><br /><b>Answer:</b><br />Do you enjoy being made to look stupid???<br /><br />We saw those effects on piccolo when in the earth he improved more than 100 millions or when goku trained 1 month in the rosat(room of spirit and time) during his preparation for the 23ºBT.Gravity on rosat was around 50.<br />What happened???lol<br />You just got your dumb theory destroyed, logically gravity wasn't an issue,plus vegeta was training in 150 after mastering 300 in those 7 years.<br />Vegeta is the only one using gravity,because he is the only character at the time who can surpass goku.<br /><br />You got obliterated put back together so I could obliterate you again!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory:</b><br />Goku didn't do much better during the 3 years he traveled the world between 21st and 22nd tournament. And Vegeta, taking advantage of training in high Gravity, increased his power level by the millions. Which method seems better to you.<br /><br />Answer:<br />OMFG you are lost in your retardation!!!!!!<br />Goku improved a lot by dragon ball standards.<br />In dbz parameters changed,they are not fighting anymore against humans.<br />They are fighting against aliens and against enemies where former levels and rate increase became irrelevant.The rate increase is that like in DB all of them need to improve a lot more to stay in the story.<br /><br /><br />You confuse dragon ball increases with dbz increases,</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" > in both, heroes become strong enough to face the villains,simply,now the enemies are <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>,therefore everyone needs to improve faster than before.</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >That is the reason why the humans improved in a few months from 250 to near 2000 in the Earth.<br />They are capable to improve by themselves in the earth.<br />I'm sure that if there isn't nappa's statement saying that saibamen had a pl around 1200,you would say that the saibamen were weak and that there is no way the humans could improve so much in a few months.<br />Plus,these guys are not regular humans,a normal human can't make the feats presented in the world tournaments by the z-heroes.<br /><br /><br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory:</b><br />So Goku going from 8k to 90k had absolutly no effect on the humans being left in the dust. Vegeta going from less then 3 million to being able to dent #19's face had no effect on the Humans being outclassed?<br /><br />Answer:<br />How is that if piccolo in just 6 days managed to surpass nail,all of them trained together there is no reason to believe that the humans didn't get an huge increase there like in the sayajin saga.<br /><br /><br />Dumb MFG old theory:<br />Your entire argument is assuming Piccolo got into the 100 millions. There's nothing to back that up. We don't even know if #19 and Gero were <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> the Freeza and odds are they aren't.<br /><br /><b>Answer:</b><br />OMFG it is a fact that A-20 and A-19 were the original main androids,but Toriyama's editor asked for a new ones and Toriyama made A-17 and A-18,so the odds say that they were <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than Freeza 100%.<br /><br />And no,i already explained you the issues with gravity and the general progresses everyone did training for the sayajins.<br />Yes,krillin's statement proves that piccolo was in a ssj level.<br />If you choose to ignore it,because disproves your theory that is another story.<br />Piccolo going from over 1,000,000 to the Super Saiyan-tier (100,000,000+?) in three years or <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> and the gang doing better at Kami's half of the time without weights in a year than Goku did in 8 years of supreme namek training system. It shows that you gain power faster, the higher you get.This is what happens in dbz with everyone who belongs to the z-group.<br />Even, if they are weaker than freeza 100%,obviously, Android 20 was that strong, then it means 19 is even weaker(stated in the daizenshuu). SSJ Goku would've wasted 19 in a matter of seconds, seriously. He was being slowed down, but he was still powerful. No one that weak would be strong enough to be slapped around that much.<br />Goku was kicking the shit out of 19 before he absorbed anything. Even Piccolo said Goku was rushing the battle.<br />Goku was out of breath when they arrived, but when he transformed into SSJ, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was amazed, so we know he's still very powerful and above the power displayed against Trunks 3 years earlier. It was stated Goku's energy dropped when he fired that beam.<br /><br /><br />Tell me, why did Tenshin, expert in martial arts, self train if partner training is 10x better? The answer: It's not.<br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory:</b><br />Fusing with Tien>Fusing with Hercule or Dende<br /><br /><b><br />Answer:</b><br />It is a shame that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">tenshinhan</b> was the only guy presented by goku as the only valuable option.<br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory:</b><br /><br />Uh, yes. Piccolo respects Ten as a fighter and was willing to give him a chance in the Room of Spirit and Time. Ask yourself this: If Ten wasn't standing right next to them do you really think Piccolo would have flown down to wherever Ten was and made the same offer? Of course not.<br /><br /><b>Answer:</b><br />This is not our world or a real life moment,this is a cartoon, Toriyama puts <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> there,he had the power to take him out or even not use piccolo to make that suggestion or even not make that suggestion at all.<br /><br />Get over it dumbass!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory:</b><br />No, but he does show respect and Kami is the kind of guy that is generous and give favors.<br /><br /><b>Answer:</b><br />OMFG how can you keep making these dumb biased statements????lol<br />You fail, kami is gone, piccolo’s personality is in charge now,and he is not going to make kind suggestions.<br />Owned again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory</b><br />Re-read the part. Goku brought Ten up as possible replacement after Gohan got absorbed. He also brought up Dende; Is he now in the hundreds of millions too?<br /><br /><b>Answer:</b><br />Again with mindless shit fucking imbecile??lol<br />You are the one who needs to re-read that part, he made objections to dende and mister satan,the only guy regarded as valuable in that situation it was <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>.<br />You love to be taken apart about the same subject over an over again.<br /><br /><br />If you look at dragon ball as a whole the trigger who takes an heroe to an astonishing improvement is a big battle.<br />The enemies changed in dbz and logically all of them will make big leaps. But they can't compete with a ssj,that is different.<br />I'm saying that Ten had several millions by the reasons expressed above including manga and daizenhuu quotes.<br /><br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory</b><br />Differenciating the two is silly.The characters were weak in Dragon Ball and got <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> when, surprise surprise, they began training in 10x gravity, an extreme condition. My point is continually backed up.<br /><br /><b>Answer:</b><br />OMFG you look like a broken record you fucking dumbass!!!!!!!!<br />When someone destroys your pathetic assumptions,let's take them out of context to look smart,lol<br />2way thugging at it's finest!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Actually,it is the only way to understand the story,surprise surprise,goku trained on room of spirit and time (who has a gravity level of 50) in db and he got almost nothing.I guess rosat(room of spirit and time) didn't have extreme conditions there and gravity 50 is less than 10.lol Next you will say that gravity chamber is better</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >than </span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >room of spirit and time</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >looooooooool<br />Your point is continually disproved,those idiots on MFG brainwashed you.lol<br /><br /><br />After getting bludgeoned for the umpteenth time,you should take your ass whooping like a man and comeback to your beloved circle of friends with your dumb interpretation of dbz!!!!!!<br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory</b><br />Yes, but not to the extent Goku or Piccolo did on Namek.<br /><br /><b>Answer:</b><br />Finally, you are opening your thick skull.lol<br />Not to the extent of a ssj Get it?<br /><br /><b>Dumb MFG old theory</b><br />Yes, it has nothing to do with them training with Kami and getting weighted clothing for the first time. EVERYTHING in a story is dictated by plot, but that doesn't mean the story doesn't also add reason along with it. Of course they got <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> because it was dictated by the plot, but the reasoning presented alongside is that Kami's training and weighted clothing allowed that increase. We are debating in-universe reasoning; not that the plot dictates increases<br /><br /><br /><br /><b>Answer:</b><br />Now,you want to use the plot as an excuse???<br />Pathetic!!!!!</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >In-universe reasoning</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >like Goku not improving nothing when he trained in DB</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >inside Rosat under 50 gravity?lollll<br /></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >Plot for sayajins??Fuck, all of them got destroyed by Nappa,there is no reason for a plot device there fucking idiot.<br />So, there is a plot to increase against the sayajins,but there isn't a plot to increase against the cyborgs.<br />Half of the time they trained by themselves without weights in </span><span style="font-size:180%;"><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">Kami's Lookout.Dumbass!</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >Owned pretty bad Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />The only plot is that everytime the z-senshi train for a big battle their pl's increase a lot.<br />That training show us that everyone starts to improve faster than ever.<br />Why?Because, the enemies got <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>,db ridiculous small increases are not a reference anymore,so with new powerful enemies,new big improvements.<br /><br /><br />You need sleep. Rest and recuperate, you've been taken apart....again. You should be used to it by now.lol<br /><br /><b><br />Dumb MFG member</b><br /><br />They had different training. Goku was trained by Mr. Popo to control his chi. The Humans were trained by Kami himself to combat the Saiyans. Their training was too different to draw comparisons to.<br /><br /><b>Answer</b><br />No, it wasn't, Popo knowledge came from kami and Goku applied<br />those teachings during 8 years,in both scenarios they trained to survive and beat powerful foes and save the earth and half of the time tenshin and the gang trained by themselves.Actually the manga shows Tenshin training by himself in Kami's lookout.<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" ><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> against popo,etc.</span></p><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" >It is funny when humans improve more and faster than Goku in Kami's lookout in a short period of time you say</span></p><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" > their training was too different to draw comparisons to, because Kami trained them to</span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" > combat the Saiyans</span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" >,but Popo also trained Goku to combat Piccolo who was the main villain at the time.<br />But, when they train with Kaio-sama </span><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" > to combat aliens more powerful than Vegeta and it is stated their training will be harder than ever,ie,the same scenario we saw in kami's lookout,you dismiss everything saying with your biased crap that they couldn't do better than Goku.<br />Priceless!Your BS has no limits!<br /></span><p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;font-size:12pt;" >Owned again fuck damn it!!!!!</span></p><div style="text-align: center;"><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Tenshinhan's During Those 7 Years After Cell</span><br />First let's see what the Daizenshuu tell us:<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">DragonBall Daizenshuu 2 – Story Guide</span><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:180%;" ><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> wanders throughout the entire Earth. He will continue training forever.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Vol. 42 / Chp. 517 It seems that he(Chaozu who follows <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> orders and obviously <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> ) trains often in northern provinces, and in the mountains he</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">wears heavy clothing</span>.<br /><br />Also Daizenshuu 2 states that <span style="font-weight: bold;">after the battle with Cell, he(<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b>) peacefully lives with No. 18 at Kame House. Even having a daughter now, he has thoroughly distanced himself from battle.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">Vol. 36 / Chp. 426 </span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">(<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b>) No longer training, his hair has grown out.</span><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 0, 51);font-size:180%;" >As you can see <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> during 7 years didn't train anymore instead <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> trained always like an animal to become <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>(stated in Daizenshuu 7) during 7 years with weigths and some dumbasses want to convince us that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b></span><br /><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 0, 51);font-size:180%;" >was <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>.lol</span><br /><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 0, 51);font-size:180%;" ><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was always <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> ALWAYS!!!!!!!!</span><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Daizenshuu 2, p.130</span><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;"><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">TENSHINHAN</b> </span><br />A lofty martial artist who aims for distant heights.<br />As a pupil of Tsuru-sennin, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> aimed to be the greatest assassin in the world, but shaken by Kame-sennin's words in the end he followed his own road. <span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);font-size:130%;" >Usually not interacting with his allies, he continues his journey of training with just Chaozu and rushes to the scene whenever anything happens.</span><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">TSURU-SENNIN PUPIL ERA / VOL. 10~12 </span><br />Trained by Tsuru-sennin, he aimed to be an assassin like Tao Pai Pai.<span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 153);font-size:130%;" > <span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">He possesses many types of techniques, and his speed is especially prominent. </span></span><br /><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">TRAVELING WARRIOR ERA / VOL. 12~42 </span><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">After the battle with Piccolo Daimao had ended, he began to live the life of a traveling warrior along with Chaozu. On a plot of land deep in the mountains, the two of them immerse themselves in training.</span></span><br /><br />Vol. 31 / Chp. 373 <span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);font-size:130%;" >His techniques powered up as well.</span><br /><br />Vol. 41 / Chp. 501 <span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 102);">Even during the battle with Buu, he gallantly appears. He saves Dende</span></span>.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Daizenshuu 7: Human Racial Dictionary </span><br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b><br />A martial artist<br /><br />History<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" >After the battle with Cell, he set off with Chaozu on a journey of training, and during the battle with Majin Buu he saved his comrade from danger.</span><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Characteristics</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">As a descendent of the alien Three-Eyed People</span>, <span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">he has physical idiosyncrasies that can't be considered that of an Earthling, such as splitting into four people, and growing arms from his shoulders. </span><span style="font-weight: bold;">He's a rare pure martial artist, who only wishes to get <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b></span>. (Daizenshuu 2, p.130 / Daizenshuu 4, p.69)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />In the manga,<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> was known to have settled down completely after Cell's death because of his family. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> is shown in rocky area with his shirt off, in his martial arts clothing and is sweating,as always he was training to become <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>. Next to him is a fully dressed Chaozu. One chi beam was meant for Chaozu and the other one was for <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b><br />Here’s the scan for reference<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0wH2SxAoVIgsw6ZbzoRgNRKHO5fa_YzeJGwBiZ-Os7xY5gNuUa5nFkRyNKGYoQP237M5YW_Q6pvjtBo5AXhUTV3AeC9oXRtvkJ8pum1ZKXMQfSWuqg2ECLS2CIR6VpYZFtyU9slbbxoA/s1600-h/BooTen2.jpg"><img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 341px; height: 400px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0wH2SxAoVIgsw6ZbzoRgNRKHO5fa_YzeJGwBiZ-Os7xY5gNuUa5nFkRyNKGYoQP237M5YW_Q6pvjtBo5AXhUTV3AeC9oXRtvkJ8pum1ZKXMQfSWuqg2ECLS2CIR6VpYZFtyU9slbbxoA/s400/BooTen2.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262589935426859682" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />When Goku becomes supersayajin3 we can also see <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> with weithed Clothing alongside with Chaozu.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Miscellaneous</span><br />If <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> was <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>, <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> would have had a little comment about it. He was training to surpass Goku after all. When the androids appear he complains that he doesn't like how strong Piccolo and Vegeta have become. Well, wouldn't he say something about the ugly midget? <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> has always been <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b>. Then one day he somehow surpasses him. The thing is, he didn't say anything even close to hinting it, and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> probably has the second most pride next to Vegeta. This is not exactly evidence, but more of a personality trait, and something I'm pretty sure would have happened if <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> was indeed <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b>, which I proved he wasn't. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> should be use to comments about his strength and technique, as almost every fighter who fights him or at least witnesses him fight gives him at least one good comment. Even the strongest villain in the Dragon Ball manga seems to be impressed about his skill saying that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was pretty strong and at the time Majin Buu had Piccolo knowledge about the Z-fighters which means <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was powerful having the others z-fighters as reference not regulars humans beings and <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> is the only fighter referred as strong by Buu.<br />He met <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">krillin</b> before and he didn't say nothing. Buu's knowledge of <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> derived from Piccolo, thus making this statement that much better. <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> gets get comments as well of course, but as the series progresses, no one even really comments about him anymore. If you want to take DBGT into account, then it once again points to <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> still training. Not only is <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> still in peak condition, but it looks like he hasn't aged AT ALL. Plus it helps that it looks like he was training when pans to him in GT.<br />Finally there is Yamcha quote:<br />The fact is that he is talking to a little girl, the circumstances in which the dialogues are being shown is important, that way you can tell the difference if the specific dialogue is serious or not, and wen he made the "Among humans that is" statement, he just remembered about the aliens(piccolo, sayans,humans in the tournament) and he was referring about those fighters in the tournament.<br />However,if someone insists in that statement i have to tell you that in the original japanese manga version, even aliens like Saiyans are considered human (ningen).<br />At that point android 18 was human so that means <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">krillin</b> also became <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than A-18 which is laughable and retarded.<br />Besides it is stated in the daizenshuu 7 that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> ALWAYS TRAINED HARD TO BECOME <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">STRONGER</b>,so he trained during those 7 years after the cell games.<br />Anyway-<br />Maroon:"is my dad gonna be okey"<br />Ymacha"yeah no sweat,your dads the strongest in the world"<br /><br />The word world was in the sentence when he was cheering up Maroon so it doesn't mean anything<br /><br />Yamcha:"Among humans that is"<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Yamcha is admitting or already knows that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> has no chance of winning in that tournament.So with that quote he was talking about <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> as the strongest tournament human fighter.</span><br /><br />Plus,<b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> is no longer a part of their group, so why include him? As he states he'll probably never see them again, and was basically out of the series. Toriyama pretty much killed the character at that point.<br />-Yamcha hasn't seen, or sensed <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> in seven years. He wasn't even thinking about <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b>, because he's been gone for seven years, and will never see him again<br />-Marron wouldn't know who <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> was anyhow "Your dad is the strongest fighter here, at least strongest human, well, <span style="font-weight: bold;">after this one guy you don't know</span>".<br /><br />Later,Toriyama is behind daizenshuu who states that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> is not human.<br />The fact is that if Toriyama wanted to say that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> is <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 153, 153);">stronger</b> than <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> he would bring him to the tournament,Dende could locate him immediately,but no he just wanted to make <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">krillin</b> the strongest human in the group and to accomplish that goal<br />he had to take <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> out of the group.<br />Vegeta was called a human by Goku also later on in the show,so does that mean that Vegeta is a human.Nope it doesn´t. Even the other sayans are called humans several times.<br /><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);"> The characters get as strong as the plot determines...</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">This is only as crazy as you let it be... Your preconceived notions of humans strength are the only reason to downgrade them so much</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">That's it!</span><br /><br /><br /><br />Akira Toriyama in the Daizenshuu 4 states that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> continued to train hard during those 7 years after the Cell saga. He explains that Tenshinhan's relocating all the time, looking for better training locations, is the reason why Lunch never found him.<br /><b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">krillin</b> on the other hand says that he stopped shaving his head because he stopped training. Gohan says this in Chapter 426.<br />meaning that <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">Krillin</b> gave up,he wasn't training anymore.<br />Look at the face of this chump, <a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhT3twhmlfNrgB_CtIUgkzP5Wq50XLOdbD0BYQVKYunq1skcfcxn9CZeZQ9wmp7kZ2YFsH_jEUgM7KeLLGzZe1_ppooHxg9GnLX5cQCkf2lsuU3UISF8WeZoAU-w3SKGD9qgXg5c3IH0kc/s1600/thumbnail.aspx.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 139px; height: 160px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhT3twhmlfNrgB_CtIUgkzP5Wq50XLOdbD0BYQVKYunq1skcfcxn9CZeZQ9wmp7kZ2YFsH_jEUgM7KeLLGzZe1_ppooHxg9GnLX5cQCkf2lsuU3UISF8WeZoAU-w3SKGD9qgXg5c3IH0kc/s400/thumbnail.aspx.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5481162339196667762" border="0" /></a>chump <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(153, 255, 153);">krillin</b> never surpassed <b style="color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Tenshinhan</b> EVER.</div>T.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10527991615652011884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2616237890192924087.post-30548812028707893622008-07-28T08:13:00.000-07:002010-11-06T09:26:59.374-07:00Tenshinhan powerlevel was in the millions?<span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">OK,i decided to make a research about the controversy about Tenshinhan power level in Dragon Ball Z.
<br />Again,i have to destroy,take apart the biased retarded statements made by some fanboys in fansites.
<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The scans belong to the Daizenshuu</span>.
<br />Here we go!
<br />First these fucking retards decided to create facts to prove their brainless theories.
<br />Here are their stupid assumptions why Tenshinhan could not achieve a power level in the millions.
<br /></span><i><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">1. Tenshinhan to be somewhere, anywhere near the Saiyans and Piccolo and to ignore that humans are simply not as good at fighting or training as the sayans.</span></i><i style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"></span></i><i><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br />Ok fucking retard now i have to take you apart and destroy this biased brainless retarded statement.
<br />What happened when all of them trained for the sayan saga to fight
<br />Nappa and Vegeta?
<br />I'll tell you!
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<br /><span style="color:red;">A fucking retard like you is saying that humans and Tenshinhan with his alien blood aren't as good at training as sayajins or piccolo,
<br />but every single human and Tenshinhan have gotten a lot more stronger of less than a year with kami-sama</span> exactly 150 days learning Namek training system (using weights meditation,etc,)</span></i><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">and 78 days training by himself <span style="color:red;">than goku did in 8 years</span>.
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<br />Goku trained three years under kami and Popo supervision and 5 years by himself,but still using namek training system like weights,etc.
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<br />Conclusion,,in 228 days Tenshinhan came from 250 to 1830=732% increase instead goku in 8 years goku came from 260 to 416
<br />Let's not forget that goku used the hyperbolic chamber during 1 month to prepare himself for the 23 world tournament.
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<br />But,there is worse fucking retard,if you use manga powerlevels,
<br />you will find out that in the beginning of DBZ
<br />Piccolo had a pl of 408 and
<br />krillin 206.
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<br />So difference between Piccolo and krillin was 408-206=202
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<br />when they are face to face with sayans:
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<br />Piccolo=1220
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<br />Krillin=1.083
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<br />that lead us to the conclusion that the
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<br />difference between Piccolo and krillin (after 228 days of training, precisely 7 months and 18 days under namek training system)
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<br />was then
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<br />1220-1.083=137
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<br />which means dumbass that difference between the 2 warriors decreased.
<br />
<br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">The difference between a namek and a human decreased.</span>
<br />Why?
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<br />Because now they trained under the same training system.
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<br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">Brainless retarded statement:It was a plot device.</span>
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<br />Answer:In that case it was a plot device for Piccolo too fucking brainless and the difference between them decreased.
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<br />How do you explain that fucking retard?lol
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<br />Plus how do you explain the fact that:
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<br />Tenshinhan saga: Goku and Tenshinhan are equals</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">King Piccolo saga: Goku is better through holy water
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<br />Piccolo Jr saga: Goku is better through previous holy water and
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<br />Kami's training instead Tenshinhan trains alone
<br />without weights.
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<br />And how do you explain such a tiny difference between tenshinhan
<br />250 to piccolo 408 and goku 416 and let's not forget these 2 received better trainings to have such difference.
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<br />Let's add the fact that the difference in the 23 World tournament was smaller ex:tenshinhan was equal or superior to goku with weights
<br />which means that if tenshinhan trains with weights after the 23 tournament he would have a power level equal or superior to 334-goku's power level with weights.
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<br />That is the reason why the number given to tenshinhan in the manga was wrong and it should be 350 or the pl of 329 given to piccolo after the fight with raditz should belong to tenshinhan.
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<br />After all,sayajins are the only guys with zenkai after a beating.
<br />Not nameks
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<br />2-Second, tenshinhan could not reach the millions
<br />according with these fucking retards,because:
<br /></span><i><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Ginyu was the second-strongest being in the entire universe, and that the Ginyu Force was unstoppable, meaning 50,000 or so was completely unattainabl</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">e. </span></i><span class="postbody">50,000 was enough to kick the ass of EVERYONE IN THE FUCKING UNIVERSE except for Ginyu and Freeza. </span>
<br /><i><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">A</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">nswer:
<br />OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<br />Are you fucking retarded??lol
<br /><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-->Ginyu wasn't the second-strongest being in the universe fucking retard.
<br />Freeza's father,King Cold,Pui Pui,Yakon,etc ,all of them were stronger
<br />than ginyu fucking retard.
<br /></span></i><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:180%;">Bhurta also said he was the fastest guy in the universe.But at the time goku, ginyu and freeza were faster than Bhurta.
<br />Now, do you realize how stupid you are?lol
<br /></span> </span>
<br /><i><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Do you have any idea how a script works?
<br />Of course not,you are a fucking biased retard.
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<br />Ginyu powerlevel was great in namek,because
<br /></span></i><span style="font-size:180%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:180%;" >Toriyama was hyping ginyu force and ginyu to show how great goku was at the time,it is a regular basic script technique used by writers,specially in the japanese mangas.
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<br />What do you expect?
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<br />Toriyama saying"Ginyu and ginyu force are fucking weaklings
<br />and goku the main character defeated a bunch of weaklings.
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<br />No,fucking retard,the creator has to show goku's greatness
<br />in that moment.
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<br />In fact, ginyu force was great in Namek saga,But after freeza's battle,
<br />all of them are old news except Freeza(former main villain).
<br />If ginyu power level is so relevant, tell me why nobody
<br />speaks about him?
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<br /></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:180%;" ><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"> No one talks about ginyu,because his pl in cell saga is ridiculous for a z-senshi.
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<br /></span></span></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:130%;" ><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">ex:</span></span><span style="font-size:180%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:180%;"><span style="font-size:130%;">
<br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> When krillin is flying with gohan piccolo and goku,he says how worried he is with this battle,</span>
<br /></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size:130%;">because he isn't a ssj.</span>
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<br /></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Why not, "i couldn't even surpass the all time great ginyu,lol,why do you think i'm worried dumbass?"</span>.</span>
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<br /></span></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:180%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> Ginyu is not mentioned for the rest of the story obviously, because his pl was ridiculous for everyone in the remaining sagas.
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<br /></span><span style="font-weight: bold;">Ginyu isn't a reference for nothing,after namek,so if he isn't a reference in the fucking manga,</span>
<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">you can't use him as a reference fucking dumbass.
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<br />Simply their Power levels became obsolete,it is a basic script technique.</span></span></span><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">I mean sayan saga has 3 major characters,raditz nappa and vegeta.</span>
<br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> Z- senshi surpassed easily raditz in a couple months.Later in the next saga all of them surpassed nappa and vegeta powerlevel from the previous saga easily.So for the android saga Piccolo's improvement and tenshinhan's kikoho</span>
<br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">among other things show us that the logic remains.</span>
<br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> This usually happens in japanese manga to minor villains characters,ginyu is not an exception.</span>
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<br /></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="postbody">Dumb statement:There is a reason Ginyu NEVER LOST before he fought Goku.
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<br />Answer:Ginyu lost before dumbass,Ginyu had a technique who allows him to switch bodies,and that wasn't his original body,because when ginyu decides to use
<br />the body change,jeice recognizes the technique which means it isn't the first time ginyu used that technique,plus the daizenshuu tell us that ginyu's original body isn't the one presented in the manga.
<br />Even if that isn't the case,are you saying that ginyu could defeat King Cold Yakon,Pui Pui,lol.
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<br /></span></span></span><span style="font-size:130%;"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Really, most of the people who say that reaching the millions is basically an impossibility to humans and Tenshinhan, do so entirely to defend the "alien empire" angle of the series that was dropped after a single saga. You need to make a bunch of counter-intuitive assumptions regarding Tenshinhan in the later Sagas in order to defend that kind of view. </span></b></span></span><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">
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<br /><span class="postbody">To assume that Tenshinhan topped bellow 100.000 is to assume the following things:
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<br /></span></span></span></b><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" ><span class="postbody"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">1-He had no idea about his own weakness. </span></span></span><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">
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<br /><span class="postbody">He talked about testing himself against the androids, who were said to be stronger than Freeza AFTER he felt Freeza's power while he was on Earth and was told that it wasn't even close to Freeza's real power.
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<br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 153);"></span></span></span></span></b>Question:He knew his limits. He's always known his limits. He's also never cared. He's still gone in and done what he could. He did it against Piccolo, he did it against Nappa, he wanted to do it against Freeza, so why wouldn't he do it against the Androids? Especially since he went and did it again against Cell.
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<br />Answer:<span style="font-size:130%;">Are you fucking retarded???lol</span>
<br /><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Unlike when Tenshinhan jumped to try delaying Cell, he didn't have to want to fight against them. </span></b></span><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">
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<br /><span class="postbody">Besides, as it was shown in the Cell Saga, Tenshinhan wouldn't have wanted to participate in that battle if he knew that he had no chance of success at all (see his refusal to train in the RoSaT/hyperbolic chamber to fight against Perfect Cell dumbass).</span></span></b><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span class="postbody"><span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 153);"></span>
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<br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span class="postbody">2-Both Dr.Gero and Cell Jr. must have held back while standing near him. Maybe, they wanted to avoid hurting his feelings or something. </span>
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<br /><span class="postbody">Tenshinhan dodged one of Gero's eye beams and was still standing after a punch from a Cell Jr (both Yamcha and Kuririn were knocked down after a single hit in the manga). Now, he was clearly weaker than Gero, but they can't have been in entirely different dimensions. </span></span>
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<br /><span class="postbody"><span style="font-size:130%;">3-</span><span style="font-size:130%;">A technique introduced without any fanfare or special explanation must have the biggest power multiplier in the entirety of DB (I'm talking about the Shin Kikoho</span>). </span>
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<br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span class="postbody">If his power never surpassed one million, you're talking about a single technique multiplying his power more than 10000 times (or even 10000000, if you believe that Goku didn't use Kaioken against Freeza since the beginning of the battle) to push back Cell's 2nd form against his own will.
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<br /></span></span></span></b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Dumb statement</span>:I never saw any of the attack variations get any kind of detailing or explanation. Did they explain why the Spirit Bomb used on Freeza was forming over Goku's head instead of inside him? No. Did they explain how Goku used us feet to do a Kamehameha? No. Hell, they never bothered to go into detail at all with some moves, such as the Big Bang Attack.
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<br />Answer:<span class="postbody"> <span style="font-size:130%;">You are a fucking retard,lol, people who believe that Tenshinhan must be under one million seem to operate under the belief that the Shin Kikoho is some super special attack with special proprieties unlike every other (personal) ki based blast in the series, including the Kikoho itself, even though there's no evidence at all of such thing.
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<br />And Fucking dumbass the Namek Genki Dama was just a Genki dama powered up by more energy, and, besides the point of formation, didn't show any other special proprieties. I really think some kind of explanation would be necessary in order to make assume that the Shin Kikoho had any special powers not shown by the Kikoho</span> </span>
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<br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span class="postbody">4- Super Buu (Gotenks absorbed) must be <span style="">weaker</span> than Freeza's final form. </span></span>
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<br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span class="postbody">Both(freeza and super buu) noticed Dende could cure and decided to kill him with a finger beam, performing basically identical actions. Piccolo (fused with Nail) was unable to do anything to stop Freeza's blast, but Tenshinhan stopped Buu's, so, considering how Piccolo had a power level around one million at the time and Tenshinhan's must be lower, Super Buu must be weaker than Freeza,lol. Plus,buutenks call tenshinhan pretty strong.</span></span></span></b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Buutenks aimed to dende but gohan was scared with the energy blast </span>
<br /><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">because the energy blast was powerfull.
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<br />Question:</span><span class="postbody"> Dende created the current set of Dragonballs. The population of Earth was currently dead. Dead Dende = no more Dragonballs. No more Dragonballs = Earth population stays dead. (It's not like Gohan would have had any way of getting to Namek, you know.) So, yeah, he's going to be scared. He want's to be able to bring everyone back after Buu's defeated.
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<br /><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span class="postbody">Answer:Are you fucking retarded????G</span></span></span></b><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="postbody">ohan is not going to be scared with a weak blast,because he could avoid the blast easily which means he is not going to be scared with an insignificant blast.And buutenks knew gohan could avoid a weak blast,fucking retard.</span>
<br /><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span class="postbody">
<br /></span></span></span></b> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Question:Buu didn't know Tenshinhan was there</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:red;"> and Buu didn't necessarily fire a very strong or very fast attack at Dende.</span>
<br /><span class="postbody">what makes you think Dende had any chance at all of avoiding that attack. He had NO CHANCE IN HELL.
<br />It's like saying Mr. Satan could dodge Freeza's Death Beam or something, it just wouldn't happen, as the beam would travel so fast he couldn't even see it</span>
<br /><span lang="EN-US" style="color:red;"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Answer:<span style="font-weight: bold;">Fucking retard,</span> </span><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">the speed of the attack wouldn't change due to Tenshinhan's position.</span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"></span></b></span> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">The energy blast had to be strong/fast enough to not be easily stopped by Gohan from a bad position,dumbass. There's no reason he'd randomly hold back. He wasn't just randomly killing two weaklings, he was doing it to stop Gohan from recovering energy yet again.</span></b></span><span style="font-weight: bold;">
<br /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Piccolo didn't see Freeza's attack but Tenshinhan was able to see Buu's, that's the difference dumbass.</span></p><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:130%;" ><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span> </span></span><p class="MsoNormal">But we can see other facts too:
<br /><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <span class="postbody"></span><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span class="postbody"></span></span> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-->
<br /></span></b><span style="font-size:130%;">-Even if you use math tenshinhan would have several millions easily.
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<br />-Daizenhuu 7 tell us you need to have a power level above 3 millions to perform a dangerous technique like Shin Kikoho,if you consider what kaioh ken makes to your body.
<br />Add the fact that tenshinhan states that he is going to mix king kai
<br />teachings with his previous knowledge to increase his power level even more.
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<br />-A fighter bellow 1 million is not going to survive a kick from buutensksccolo
<br /></span><span class="postbody"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> Nappa almost killed krillin with a single kick and the difference was only in a few thousands.</span></span><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">The result should be instant death.Remember what kaioshin said about freeza.</span></span>
<br /><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Kaiohshin said he could kill freeza with a single blow without effort.</span>
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<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Dumb statement:Reecoom put a lot more behind that kick than Buutenks did.
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<br />And he called him pretty strong because most of the humans were at pls of around 5-7. If some human at 100,000 comes along, obviously you're going to be pretty surprised.
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<br />Answer:Reeccom </span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"> said he should control himself more then that means he put some power behind the kick,but not full power. </span> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="" lang="EN-US">About buutenks,sorry but at the time buutenks=piccolo knowledge about z-senshi power so that retarded assumption doesn´t work.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Why do you insist about that 100.000 bullshit,when that power level isn't mentioned ever in the fucking manga or Daizenshuu as something amazing,after namek saga.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Are you fucking retarded??????
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<br /><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Dumb statement:Just because he absorbed Piccolo, doesn't give him all of his knowledge</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Answer:</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Yes,it gives him all of his knowledge and brilliant mind(one of the reasons why super buu absorbed Piccolo was due to his brilliant mind).
<br />During the fight against mystic gohan buutenksccolo tells us several details about piccolo techniques and how piccolo taught gohan in the past.
<br /></span><span style="">Again it is stated.</span></p><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Buutenks is surprised when tenshinhan deflects the energy blast </span></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">due to the fact that he has piccolo knowledge about tenshinhan power level and that shows how much he improved in those 7 years..</span>
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<br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> Plus, even if several millions aren't nothing for buutenks,he was surprised that someone</span>
<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;"> apart from sayajins or piccolo could avoid that blast.
<br />Anyway a guy with piccolo's brains is not going to call a guy bellow i million,pretty strong and e</span></span></span><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">ven a weak blast made by someone like buutenks is very powerfull.
<br />But we already know the blast was strong,because gohan was there.
<br />And after that buutenks says even a kick given to a guy like tenshinhan was enough to ko him easily.
<br />Ginyu pl isn't even a consideration in buu's saga or any other after namek,so give up with that dumb theories.
<br /></span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">More:</span>
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<br /><span class="postbody"><span style="font-weight: bold;">-</span></span><span class="postbody"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> Goku was willing to fusion with Tenshinhan
<br /></span></span><span class="postbody"><span style="font-weight: bold;">i doubt Goku would have wanted to fusion with him unless he was in his millions, if not Goku would have douted the idea like he did with Mr. Satan.
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<br />-</span></span><span class="postbody"><span style="font-weight: bold;">No one is going to invite a fighter to train in the rosat(hyperbolic chamber)
<br />if you are bellow millions.
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<br /></span></span><span class="postbody"></span><span class="postbody">Dumb statement:Tenshinhan + Tri-beam = helpful. Current situation = bad. Helpful = good. Besides, they had 10 days. It's not like there wouldn't be leftover time where none of the more useful fighters could enter the RoSaT anymore. May as well send in as many as possible, cross your fingers, and hope for a miracle.
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<br />Answer:<span style="" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:180%;">Do you like getting thoroughly humiliated with your brainless biased assumptions???? </span><o:p></o:p></span>
<br />It is a shame that at<span class="postbody"> the time tenshinhan didn't say something like"sorry piccolo but my shin kikouhou will not be useful. Cross your fingers???What kind of bullshit is this?
<br />You are claiming Tenshinhan has 50.000,there is no miracle who can help Tenshinhan.
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<br />Actually, Tenshinhan refused the invitation,because he couldn't surpass Perfect Cell,
<br /></span><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="postbody">(Perfect Cell</span><span class="postbody"> not ginyu <span style="font-weight: bold;">dumbass</span>) in 2
<br />days </span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">or 2years-stated in the manga.
<br />Why not a line like"are you crazy what i'm going to do with a pl. of 50.000 or i couldnt' surpass freeza first from why the hell did you invite me to train.
<br />It makes more sense and it is the only possibility here.
<br />Why did he use cell's name?Why not the great ginyu,dumbass.
<br />The only thing eventually </span><a href="http://www.google.com.br/custom?hl=pt-BR&client=pub-0920003976390070&cof=FORID:9%3BAH:left%3BS:http://www.googlediscovery.com/labs/googleblack/%3BCX:Google%2520Black%3BL:http://www.google.com/lightsoutsf/logo_black.gif%3BLH:55%3BLP:1%3BBGC:%23000000%3BT:%23FFFFFF%3BLC:%23FFFFFF%3BGALT:%23FFFFFF%3B&ad=w9&cx=008848615193038712761:nydm45qllgk&adkw=AELymgU5YaCEtyE4yikCzVIUV9ORyx_DTT0_CTcSXYf1-j62RhAfTfXxwhnW2ZYB9x3Wm6SqZT63jrKMJCokcUPeD6xPXXeDZ3QMUPA_vxH8ehtMZI-CYGBbr_zVuedq71tJeDqwh0Wd&rurl=http://www.googlediscovery.com/labs/googleblack/search.html%3Fcx%3D008848615193038712761%253Anydm45qllgk%26cof%3DFORID%253A9%26q%3Dunnattaible%26btnG%3DPesquisa%2BGoogle%26google_rsg%3D__oNLy9rUgaluRRie870_d_DLf5uI%3D&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=unattainable&spell=1" class="p"><b><i>unattainable</i></b></a> for Tenshinhan was Perfect Cell power.
<br />That's why Tenshinhan says in the fucking manga..."I won't be ready to beat Cell".
<br />You see, the only power level who can be <a href="http://www.google.com.br/custom?hl=pt-BR&client=pub-0920003976390070&cof=FORID:9%3BAH:left%3BS:http://www.googlediscovery.com/labs/googleblack/%3BCX:Google%2520Black%3BL:http://www.google.com/lightsoutsf/logo_black.gif%3BLH:55%3BLP:1%3BBGC:%23000000%3BT:%23FFFFFF%3BLC:%23FFFFFF%3BGALT:%23FFFFFF%3B&ad=w9&cx=008848615193038712761:nydm45qllgk&adkw=AELymgU5YaCEtyE4yikCzVIUV9ORyx_DTT0_CTcSXYf1-j62RhAfTfXxwhnW2ZYB9x3Wm6SqZT63jrKMJCokcUPeD6xPXXeDZ3QMUPA_vxH8ehtMZI-CYGBbr_zVuedq71tJeDqwh0Wd&rurl=http://www.googlediscovery.com/labs/googleblack/search.html%3Fcx%3D008848615193038712761%253Anydm45qllgk%26cof%3DFORID%253A9%26q%3Dunnattaible%26btnG%3DPesquisa%2BGoogle%26google_rsg%3D__oNLy9rUgaluRRie870_d_DLf5uI%3D&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=unattainable&spell=1" class="p"><b><i>unattainable</i></b></a> for Tenshinhan is Cell's power.
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<br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Conclusion:</span>
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<br /><span style="font-size:180%;"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Considering Tenshinhan's performance and actions in the Cell and Buu Sagas, assuming that he was an ant thousand times weaker than even minor villains is the counter-intuitive interpretation. The series clearly wasn't written in that way.
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<br />Let's use some math,:
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<br /></span></span>In king kai planet <span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">unlike Goku, Tien had Yamcha to train with for 50% of the time. So his increases for the first half of his training would be higher. I decided to only add 33% instead of a possible 50% increase.
<br />So it looks more like this:
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<br />That means that at the start of their <b>training</b>, Goku was 800, and Tien was still 1800. Goku increased by 1000% in 118 days. So Tien would <i>theoretically</i> increase by 1333% in the first 118 days, then by another 352% in the next 32 days. Then Yamcha would leave. Then by another 1000% in the remaining 118 days. And then by 500% in the remaining 60 days.
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<br />This puts him at no less than 4,222,944 when he is revived.</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">For this second part, I will use four Tien power levels. The first is 900,000 the second is 4,222,944, the third is 2,000,000, and the fourth is 45,000(what he would get from a mere 2500% increase)
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<br />Ok, Tien had 5 years from his revival untill the time he Kikoho'd Cell. So I will use those 5 years to show how much he <b>could </b>have increased.
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<br />I have taken a definite increase, which is the increase from Raditz Saga Piccolo to Vegeta Saga Piccolo, using Daizenshuu numbers, as my base.
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<br />Piccolo increased from 408(well slightly higher but w/e) to 3500 in exactly 150 days of solitary training, and 138 days of training with Gohan. Goku stated in the hyperbolic chamber that training with a much weaker fighter will actually slow your own increase until they start to get near your level. So the thing is, the 138 days would have seen a slower % increase than the 150 days.
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<br />Anyway, I have to make an assumption here, that if Piccolo can manage 8.75% increase in 288 days with a weaker fighter like Gohan, then I must find a suitable increase for Tien training with the ever useless Chaotzu(let's ignore the fact that Tenshinhan can spar against himself due to the 4 clones technique).
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<br />As I said before, a lot of Piccolo's increase would be from his solitary meditation or whatever it is he does. I have determined that 4x is a believable amount. But for arguments sake lets also have 1.5x and 6x which are the lowest and highest extremes I can bring myself to believe. I can also use the retarded logic that the higher your power level, the harder it is to increase it (even if dragon ball manga,anime and daizenshuu show us that the higher your power level, the easier it is to increase it). This starts at x3, and each year goes down by .5, so year 2 is x2.5 and so on. This fourth possibility is incredibly flawed.
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<br />And so the following chart is born
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<br /><b>Tien One</b>
<br /><b>Starts at</b> 900,000
<br /><b>-1A(1.5x per year)</b>
<br />Y1:1,350,000 Y2:2,025,000 Y3:3,037,500 Y4:4,556,250 Y5:6,834,375
<br /><b>-1B(4x per year)</b>
<br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">Y1:3,600,000 Y2:14,400,000 Y3:57,600,000 Y4:230,400,000 Y5:921,600,000-</span>
<br /><b>-1C(6x per year)</b>
<br />Y1:5,400,000 Y2:32,400,000 Y3:194,400,000 Y4:1,166,400,000 Y5:6,998,400,000
<br /><b>-1D(Decreasing Increase x3 x2.5 x2 x1.5 x1)</b>
<br />Y1:2,700,000 Y2:6,750,000 Y3:13,500,000 Y4:20,250,000 Y5:20,250,000
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<br /><b>Tien Two</b>
<br /><b>Starts at</b> 4,222,944
<br /><b>-2A(1.5x per year)</b>
<br /><span style="color: rgb(51, 204, 0);">Y1:6,334,416 Y2:9,501,624 Y3:14,252,436 Y4:21,378,654 Y5:30,267,981</span>
<br /><b>-2B(4x per year)</b>
<br />Y1:16,891,776 Y2:67,567,104 Y3:270,268,416 Y4:1,081,073,664 Y5:4,324,294,656
<br /><b>-2C(6x per year)</b>
<br />No point in doing, this one has Tien in the megabillions...
<br /><b>-2D(Decreasing Increase x3 x2.5 x2 x1.5 x1)</b>
<br />Y1:12,668,832 Y2:31,672,080 Y3:63,344,160 Y4:95,016,240 Y5:95,016,240
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<br /><b>Tien Three</b>
<br /><b>Starts at</b> 2,000,000
<br /><b>-3A(1.5x per year)</b>
<br />Y1: 3,000,000 Y2: 4,500,000 Y3: 6,750,000 Y4: 10,125,000 Y5: 15,187,500
<br /><b>-3B(4x per year)</b>
<br />Y1: 8,000,000 Y2: 3,200,000 Y3: 128,000,000 Y4: 512,000,000 Y5: 2,048,000,000
<br /><b>-3C(6x per year)</b>
<br />Once again Tien in the megabillions. Waste of time
<br /><b>-3D(Decreasing Increase x3 x2.5 x2 x1.5 x1)</b>
<br />Y1: 6,000,000 Y2: 15,000,000 Y3: 30,000,000 Y4: 45,000,000 Y5: 45,000,000
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<br /><b>Tien Four</b>
<br /><b>Starts at</b> 45,000
<br /><b>-4A(1.5x per year)</b>
<br />Y1: 67,500 Y2: 101,250 Y3: 151,875 Y4: 227,812 Y5: 341,718
<br /><b>-4B(4x per year)</b>
<br />Y1: 180,000 Y2: 720,000 Y3: 2,880,000 Y4: 11,520,000 Y5: 46,080,000
<br /><b>-4C(6x per year)</b>
<br />Y1: 270,000 Y2: 1,620,000 Y3: 9,720,000 Y4: 58,320,000 Y5: 349,920,000
<br /><b>-4D(Decreasing Increase x3 x2.5 x2 x1.5 x1)</b>
<br />Y1: 135,000 Y2: 337,500 Y3: 675,000 Y4: 1,012,500 Y5: 1,012,500
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">As you can see, my calculations have mostly pointed in the direction of a Tien in the millions.</span>
<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Even my attempted Uber-Tien-Hater-Realistic-Increase-Diehard-Pleaser Type(4D) reached 1,000,000.</span>
<br /></span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Tien haters, this is the one which is my personal favourite as it shows even with only 45k starting, and a below expected multiplier, Tien can reach 1,000,000)</span>
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<br />Starting:45,000
<br /><b>-4D(Decreasing Increase x3.8 x3.3 x2.8 x2.3 x1.8)</b>
<br />Y1: 171,000 Y2: 564,300 Y3: 1,580,040 Y4: 3,634,092 Y5: <span style="font-weight: bold;">6,541,365</span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">The "30x increase" is base purely on the fact that Piccolo increased by 8.75x in one year.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"> Are you saying it is <b>impossible </b>for a human or tenshinhan to increase by even half that?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Its after more than 262 days at king kai's, while training harder than Goku and with a training partner(Tien), and then 3 years of training for your life, when humans,Tenshinhan and namek Z fighters are shown to gain much bigger increase than normal.(Piccolo in android saga, all humans and Tenshinhan after 1 year of training for saiyans.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Question:Do you think he can suddenly gain ten times as much power while training on Earth, with just Choatzu, then he did training under Kami and King Kai combined? That would be counter-intuitive.</span>That requires the wild guess that living in the mountains is more effective than King Kai's training.</p><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"></span><p class="MsoNormal">Answer:Again you show your fucking ignorance about dragon ball part 1 the basis to understand dragon ball Z.
<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Training with a master under special conditions and then following with their own regiment to improve even more was a standard repeated several times through Dragonball fucking dumbass. </span></b></span><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">
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<br /><span class="postbody">Roshi tells Goku that traveling around the world was the best training he could get, Goku does the same after training an undetermined amount of time with Kamisama, the earthlings do the same with Karin and later Kamisama too... There's no reason to assume that Kaio's training was suddenly an unreachable peak that couldn't be improved through a personal regiment, unlike every other training in the series up to that point.</span></span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-weight: bold;">In the end they all started training on their own because they already learnt what they have to do from their different masters.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Kaioh saying that his training is as good as he says it is doesn't mean he's right. It just follows the same logic used in the previous trainings made by Z-heroes with Kame Sennin Karin or Kami,all of them are amazing,but after some time the heroes improve even more by themselves.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Their trainings are great until they can teach them something new,when they</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><span style="" lang="EN-US">can't teach them more new things those trainings aren't so effective anymore</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><span style="" lang="EN-US"> ex:When kami taught them everything he said..."Now you can go and train by yourselves,it is the best thing to do...".
<br /></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Again,</span><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">following with their own regiment to improve even more </span></b></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-weight: bold;">what they already learnt </span></span><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">was a standard repeated several times through Dragonball.</span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">That is the rule we must apply for the rest of the show and not random brainless theories.</span></b></span><span class="postbody"><span style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Plus,Goku and Vegeta did better with their gravity training, and we don't really know what kind of training ten shin han did. Obviously, whatever kind of training he did, was good if he could stop second form cell like that even when Piccolo fused with kami couldn't stop 1st form cell. </span></span><span style="" lang="EN-US">
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<br /><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Conclusion,the rule is that all the Z-warriors improve a lot more after learning a new training system.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">Question:Tenshinhan knew his limits. He's always known his limits. He's also never cared. He's still gone in and done what he could. He did it against Piccolo, he did it against Nappa, he wanted to do it against Freeza, so why wouldn't he do it against the Androids? Especially since he went and did it again against Cell.</p>
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<br />Answer:
<br /><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">That's completely different,dumbass. That point was brought up when Bulma suggested killing Dr.Gero before he activated the androids. Unlike when he jumped to try delaying Cell, he didn't have to want to fight against them. </span></b></span><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">
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<br /><span class="postbody">Besides, as it was shown in the Cell Saga, Tenshinhan wouldn't have wanted to participate in that battle if he knew that he had no chance of success at all (see his refusal to train in the RoSaT/hyperbolic chamber to fight against Perfect Cell).</span></span></b></p>
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<br /></p><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Dumb statement :Gero's a lot weaker than Freeza. Like, three or four times weaker, IMO
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<br />Answer:How do you know how many times Gero is weaker than freeza,Toriyama told you fucking retard?
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<br />Plus,</span><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Gero was still strong enough to make a SSJ Vegeta who had just spent energy with the Big Bang attack need to bluff to make him escape. Remember that an exhausted Goku transformed into a SSJ was enough to finish off Freeza, only having some problems when he used 100%. Even if he wasn't on Freeza's level, he still was very powerful.C-19 was punished by super sayajin goku and if he could
<br />withstand his shots,knowing that goku wanted to finish the fight quickly(stated by vegeta in the manga) it shows how powerfull they were and we know Gero was stronger than c-19.
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<br />For the retards who say ..."Goku was sick nad his ki was dropping..."
<br />It is true,but you need to maintain an high ki level to sustain a super sayajin
<br />transformation and after those 3 years goku was a lot stronger than before.
<br /></span></b></span> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="" lang="EN-US">Gero had to have sometime of level reading device to know how to calculate how powerful they started off and what they would be in the future at their history of progression. Gero made cyborg tao pai pai they would have seen that budokai at least as the starting point, and would have used the saiyan's arrival for the</span></b><span style="" lang="EN-US"> <b>first increases in power, either multiples or additives.</b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US"><b> They also have some type of level scouter for they "sense" Yamcha's level heading for them, and they believe it to be goku. It could be that they are basing it off kaioken goku, but they would also have added some time of 4 year increase to that, thus yamcha must be around goku's estimated level from their databases calculated level for goku in 4 years.<o:p></o:p></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="" lang="EN-US">They go on to tell goku they have been watching him and now his strength and skills.</span></b><span style="" lang="EN-US">
<br /><b>And that even projecting the most extreme levels of improvement for him, which was probably at least 20x sense he went 416-8000+.</b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">So according with my estimates earlier they expected to find goku in the millions and let's not</p><p class="MsoNormal">forget that they saw Ohzaru(gorilla)Vegeta with a pl of 180.000 if you add previous goku's improvement for the sayans more kaioh ken more more ozharu,they expected to find goku in the millions.</p><p class="MsoNormal">No doubt about that.</p><p class="MsoNormal">
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<br /><span style="" lang="EN-US"><b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Yamcha went from 177 to around at least 1400 ( 7.9 increase in one year) And yes They witnessed the fight with the saiyans and knew of some measuring unit of power given off the warriors.
<br />Yamcha had sparring partners for that one year, and never again. And like I said, and most people agree, <b>in days and years they progress far better with great increases. Humans increase well also. Like krillin on namek. A 20x increase may not be far off from reasonable for the humans sense krillin became over ten times stronger in one day. Even if you use addivite leveling up it would make sense that all the Z warriors add more later on when they are stronger than when they where weaker, where in dragonball they may add 10 to there level in a year they add 1600 for the sayan saga or millions for android saga expressed by Piccolo and Tenshinhan achievements in dragonball z.</b>
<br /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Also, training is not just sparring, take note of Gohan and Goten's training, when Goten was throwing rocks at Gohan. This was before Gohan knew Goten to have any decent level of power, so wouldn't Gohan train on his own if Self training>>Training with a much weaker partner?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US"> Ok, lets say Tien was PL:100. Tien trains for a year in the wilderness and increases to 1000. Then Tien splits into ten PL:100 Tiens. Each one would train in the wilderness for a year, and then reach 1,000. Then they rejoin and are 10,000.
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<br />You could argue, "Hell, why didn't Tien just stay normal and train for a year", which is a valid point, but the idea here is that this training gets past PL limitations for certain kinds of training. Like if wilderness training was useless past PL:1000, then the whole Tien could not increase from it anymore, but the PL:100 Tien's could still get the normal increase until they hit 1000. Theres also the slim possibility, that when the Tien's rejoin they would get a Piccolo+Kami=Kamiccolo style increase<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">The Robot's quite possibly could have heard the explanation, so that would mean it is based off Goku's 416 to 8000 power level increase in one year.
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<br />At x20 per year, the power they would have detected is 66 million(!)...</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Even f it was x20, then x15, then x10, then x5 you get 6,240,000.</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Even you use this retarded decrease theorie his power level would be easily in the millions.
<br /></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Plus the exact rate of decrease wouldn't go from x20 to x.025 in only a few years, also note that Dr Gero made his Androids at high hundred million PL levels, which wouldn't be necessary against a Goku in the 10 or 100 thousands, or even low millions. It shows that Dr Gero expected Goku to be in the millions.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<br /></span></b></span><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></b> <span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:130%;" >dumb statement:When Gero used his laser beam he wasn't aiming at Tenshinhan, so it doesn't matter if tenshinhan avoided that blast.</span>
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<br /></span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Answer:The "aiming" part doesn't matter,dumbass. He still fired towards the place Tenshinhan was standing, and Tenshinhan needed (and was able) to dodge the blast when Piccolo couldn't dodge freeza's blasts in namek.</span></b></span></p>
<br /><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Dumb statement:As for the Cell Jr.s Tenshinhan was taken down just as easily as everyone else.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Answer:Kuririn is knocked down after one attack (to his back), and a second one breaks his spine. Yamcha is hit once and then in the background of a group shot is shown lying on the ground, while a Cell Jr attacks him. Next focused panel, a Cell Jr. is breaking his arm. </span></b></span><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">
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<br /><span class="postbody">Tenshinhan is hit once in the head. In the group shot, he is still standing trying to punch a Cell Jr, and then in another panel the Cell Jr. kicks him again and he isn't shown until the end of the chapter, when he's thrown at the ground unconscious. </span>
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<br /><span class="postbody">Of course, at the end of the chapter, he was lying on the ground just like everyone else, but there's no way someone with a power lower than one million would be able to put up any sort of resistance there. </span>
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<br /><span class="postbody">Of course, unlike the Dr. Gero example, there's actually evidence that the Cell Jrs. were holding back, however, there's no reason to assume that specific Cell Jr. was holding back any more than the others while fighting Tenshinhan.<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p> <span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">People who believe that Tenshinhan must be under one million seem to operate under the belief that the Shin Kikoho is some super special attack with special proprieties unlike every other (personal) ki based blast in the series, including the Kikoho itself, even though there's no evidence at all of such thing. </span></b></span><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /><span class="postbody">The Namek Genki Dama was just a Genki dama powered up by more energy, and, besides the point of formation, didn't show any other special proprieties. I really think some kind of explanation would be necessary in order to make assume that the Shin Kikoho had any special powers not shown by the Kikoho.
<br />People also say that kikoho uses life force,however fucking manga purists forget,that manga never speaks
<br />about kikoho using life force which means you can't use that excuse.
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<br /></span></span></b>
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<br /><span style="font-size:180%;">Shin-kikoho is a stronger version from kikoho like super kamehameha is a stronger version from
<br />kamehameha.
<br />There is a relationship between kikoho and tenshinhan's power level or else he could kill nappa.
<br />Plus Tenshinhan fired Shin-kikoho 4 times against cell.How many lifes has Tenshinhan?
<br />4 lifes like in a videogame fucking dumbasses,lol.
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<br /></span><span class="postbody">I repeat again,the Kikoho has also something to do with the power-levels of the user, in this case Ten Shin Han,the attack become's more powerfull during the series and <span style="color: rgb(255, 163, 79);"><b>tenshinhan</b></span>'s kikoho against cell
<br />it's just a more powerfull Kikoho, just like the Super Kamehameha is just a stronger version of the normal Kamehameha.
<br />To give more examples, the Kikoho that Ten Shin Han uses against Nappa when he's almost dead is stronger than the ones that he did before because he had now a higher power-level
<br />Ten Shin Han fires 4 Shin Kikoho's in total against Cell. Kikoho's who must have a considerable power and are stronger than before. Does this mean that he has now more lifes ( like if he was in a video-game) than before? </span><span class="postbody"> No.
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<br />It's also power-level wise.
<br />Well, <span style="color: rgb(255, 163, 79);"><b>tenshinhan</b></span> stopped one of Gotenks Buu attacks (and it was suppose to kill gohan) so it was not one of his weaker blasts which means the Kikoho has also something to do with the power-levels of the user, in this case Ten Shin Han.
<br />In The Buu Saga, Buu Gotenks also mentions that <span style="color: rgb(255, 163, 79);"><b>tenshinhan</b></span> was very strong and look what I did to him. This is after he beats Ten Shin Han in one single kick (and yes he survives). <span style="color: rgb(255, 163, 79);"><b>Tenshinhan</b></span> is referred as strong by Buu.
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<br /></span><span class="postbody">Daizenshuu 7's battle power chart, where the figure of SSJ Goku at 150 <span style="color: rgb(255, 163, 79);"><b>million</b></span> comes from, says that it is impossible to calculate the battle powers of Goku and all the Z-warriors,(there is no exception made for tenshinhan and the others) after the battle with Freeza.
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<br /><span style="font-size:180%;"><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">What daizenshuu and manga tell us about Shin kikoho?
<br />Well,during the fight against Freeza Tenshinhan says:
<br />"No need to worry goku wil win"
<br />Yamcha-"what?"
<br />Tenshinhan-"We forgot about Kaioh ken.Seeing Goku's actual strenght he can endure the use of the maximum kaioh ken:
<br />10 times"
<br /></span></span></span><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Daizenshuu 7 tell us that goku to use kaioh ken x 10 needs a power level of 3.000.000 and Tenshinhan knows it.
<br />So if tenshinhan knows that the amount of ki necessary to use kaioh ken x 10 corresponds to 3 millions and if he uses Shin Kikoho who is stronger,obviously
<br />Tenshinhan needs to have a power level above 3 millions.
<br />Meaning that kaioh ken can kill you like shinkikoho if you don't have
<br />a specific power level and it means that your body can't sustain that kind of power if you don't have a power level in the millions.
<br />For the morons who say shinkikoho has no limits during the fight against buutenksccolo </span></b> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:gray;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Tenshinhan states that Boo's blast is too strong even for the Shin Ki-ko-ho. There is a limit to it, which kills the arguement that it multiplies his power by 7,000, lol. <span style="font-style: italic;">All the facts </span></span><i style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"></i><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> show that</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:gray;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Tenshinhan reached the millions, but the fact there's a limit to the attack (ki-ko-ho) says he was at that level.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">Conclusion,Daizenshuu 7 and manga tell us that you need a minimal power level to perform</p><p class="MsoNormal">Techniques like kaioh ken or Shin Kikoho.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody">For the Kikoho...when it's introduced, Chaozu yells out he's about to use the Kikoho, and then Roshi calls it the "chi cannon" and since the universal term for the energy in the viz manga is "chi" not "ki" means that technique uses the same energy as every other attack.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"> And why wouldn't it? They would state something saying that he has some secret form of energy, but no such thing is stated. There's only two differences between the kikoho and the shin kikoho, it's not a new move, only a improved version in which he's able to release more than one blast before he falls, and he's able to control how much energy he puts into it. He basically took the technique and changed the rules of it. Yeah, he's that good. As the enemies got stronger, the heroes had to get stronger, thus why Tenshinhan and the others got way better results at the same training. </span>
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<br />You just keep getting clapped down. Anything else you want me to destruct fucking Tenshinhan haters or ignorant dumb dragon ball fans???<o:p></o:p></span></b>
<br /><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Dumb statement:Also, the Tri-beam functions on a completely different level than other attacks. Cell had no damage despite the apparent effect the move was having on him.</span></p>Answer:It made some dammage,but not heavy significative dammage which is different,besides that isn't exactly unseen. Even back in the 22nd Budokai, the Volleyball fist was able to throw Goku around, but it did no real lasting damage. or when goku blaste piccolo jr with a super kamehameha.
<br /><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Cell was yelling and his entire momentum was negated by the attack. Just because he wasn't bleeding abundantly it doesn't mean it magically had no effect in spite of every other visual sign.
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<br /></span></b></span><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Dumb statement:For all we know the 'kill-level' of the move was no more than 300,000 (around 10x higher) but the 'impact-force' is the same no matter who it hits.
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<br />Answer:</span></b></span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">That's completely negated by the Nappa battle. The basic Kikoho had no special pushing force there.<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">Tenshinhan also was near-dead and only had one arm when he shot that blast</span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Then it should have done ZERO damage and knocked Nappa, instead it did SOME damage and didn't knock Nappa.</span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Plus I would also like to point out how Tien's Kikoho would have killed Kid Goku if he used it on him. That show us that it is a damaging attack not just a concussive force type attack</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">.</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Also, note the Kikoho usage on Nappa, he was not pushed back at all. </span>It acted like a regular attack</p>
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<br /></span></b></span><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Dumb statement:Humans have limits.
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<br />Answer:WTF?Are you fucking retarded???,lol
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<br /></span></b></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-GB">What's this talk about human limits? We've never seen, or heard anything about a human reaching their limits in the fucking manga,fucking manga purists,so you fail again dumbasses.
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<br />Uub shows us that humans aren't as limited as you think. It doesn't matter if he is the reincarnation of Majin Buu... because he has a human body, not a magical body like Buu had. Which means he has the same restrictions as other humans. </span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">Plus if non sayans had a pl limit which is not ever stated in dragon ball (it is exactly the opposite)how could tenshinhan's body sustain such a powerlevel when he performed shin kikoho against cell.</span></span></span>
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<br />He can't regenerate, transform, absorb people, or do any other things like that.
<br />Plus,what if goku can't go to super sayajin?
<br />Could goku or vegeta beat Cell or even c-17 and c-18???That is the main question.
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<br />when we enter in the android saga we are talking about villains who are a lot more powerfull than 100% freeza.
<br />Could base goku beat Freeza without ssj?
<br />Not at that moment,but if he trains more applying all his knowledge taught by his former masters to beat him like all of them did for the android saga,the others Z-warriors can at least reach the million mark pretty easily,specially Tenshinhan who has alien blood
<br />and was able to create a technique powerfull enough to hold semi-perfect cell.
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<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Nothing is stated ever about the fact that they are humans so they can't become ultra powerfull,besides earlier in db or in the sayan saga
<br />tenshinhan and the others were in the same range.</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Even if piccolo is 50.000.000 stronger than tenshinhan it is logical to think that a z- senshi has at least 5 or 10 millions,previously the difference between them was in a few hundred units.
<br />I believe goku was a sayajin at the time and piccolo a namek.
<br />Human blood made goten gohan and trunks stronger than pure sayajins.Why? Human blood is weak after all.
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<br /><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-GB">No one in the manga,anime or daizenshuu talks about human condition as a liability.
<br />Actually Kame Sennin/Master roshi tell us another story in dragon ball.
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">During the 22 º world tournament goku and krillin are amazed with the fact that goku defeated so easily pamputte and all the other humans.
<br />Logically both ask kame sennin.
<br />How is that possible?
<br />kame sennin says that panputte was strong for a human,but,goku,krillin,yamcha tenshinhan and chaoz are amazing warriors beyond human imagination,
<br />which means they progress a lot faster than regular humans.
<br />we are talking about prodigies here,not normal humans.
<br />kame sennin needed 3 years to catch Karin the tower,goku did it in 3 days, before the 3 years training for the 22º world tournament which means Tenshinhan also had a power level above karin,because goku and tenshinhan were equals in that tournament so tenshinha took even less time to catch karin.
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<br /></span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">The Z Fighters like Krillin, Yamcha or tenshinhan were fighters who mastered Ki, and they were much more powerful than Saiyans of the past. And just think about this, the Saiyans lived on a planet with much higher gravity, so they should have had an advantage with that too.
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<br />Saiyans of the past trained their whole lives in higher gravity, yet the human Z Fighters and Tenshinhan surpassed them while training in Earth's atmosphere, and probably didn't train as much as they did,this lead us to the conclusion that the Z Fighters are prodigies themselves as well, like how Goku and Vegeta are prodigies of Saiyans.
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<br />But then look at the half-Saiyans. They're more powerful than full-blooded Saiyans and have more potential. It's just that they weren't given that in the anime since Goku was always the hero, with the exception of the Cell Saga. Even Vegeta himself stated that Saiyans breeding with Humans produces an offspring more powerful than the original. Then Nappa said to Vegeta that they should start repopulationg the Saiyan race, but Vegeta disliked the idea, saying he didn't want ingrate brats running around more powerful than he was.
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<br />With that said, where does the hybrids power come from? Why are they more powerful than full-blooded Saiyans? It has to do with their human side.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<br /></span><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204); font-weight: bold;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">Tien's only fight post Saiyan Saga is against #17, and he got equally owned along with Trunks and Piccolo, meanwhile Krillin made no mention of his(or Trunk's) power during that fight either, as he was frozen with fear.
<br />Actually , just the fact that Tenshinhan actually went to attack C-17 should be quite indictive of his power level, being in the millions or the hundreds of millions. Even the anime agrees or the movie bojack unbound where Tenshinhan forces Trunks to go to ssj to beat him.
<br />Let's not forget that Toriyama was involved in that movie
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<br />Question:</span></span></span></span></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"> About the Shin ki ko ho:
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<br />1) Its the most powerful attack on the show
<br />2) Semi Perfect Cell was caught off guard, which most of the time in DBZ means the attack is a lot more effective
<br />3) Semi Perfect Cell was likely nowhere near his full power.
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<br />It isn't known how far it is from the actual power levels Akira thought of back in the 80's. Nevertheless, evidence points towards Tien being less than one million</span>
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<br /></span></span></span></span><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Answer:</span></b></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">1-The strongest attack was spirit bomb not shin kikoho,dumbass.
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<br /></span>2-semi perfect cell was caught off-guard once what about the rest of the time.It is a fact that tenshinhan holds him and cell was furious and tried to escape,but he couldn't.
<br /><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="" lang="EN-US"> 3-Semi Perfect Cell wasn't l nowhere near his full power when he koed c-16 with a single punch too.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;">And c-16 was more powerfull than c-17 and Piccolo.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;">Now tell me fucking dumbass,if Kikoho does use lifeforce you need to explain to me why Vegeta's explosion did not annilate buu and half the fucking universe,lol.</p>Vegeta's explosion used to destroy fat buu is <b>more powerful than the Kikoho</b>. He used all his power in one go, even the Kikoho required 4 shots to knock Tien out. Characters can faint or whatever from using up the last of their ki in a crappy blast. IF Kikoho uses life force, then Vegeta's attack should be say, 50,000x or more stronger than himself. Where did I get that number? Kikoho, 10,000x stronger than self, four shots to ko Tien. Final blast used all the power in one shot, and so should be at least 5x stronger than that.
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<br />Fucking retarded statement: SSJ2 Vegeta was more than 10,000x stronger than Tien...obviously his attack is going to be more powerful. And quit comparing the attacks goddammit.
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<br />Vegeta's Final Explosion uses ki, it releases an attack around 3x stronger than himself.
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<br />Tien's Neo Ki Ko Ho uses his life force, which has nothing to do with his power level. Depending on how much he uses at once is how much power it has. When he used it on Cell he used less life force since that was all he needed. When he used it on Super Buutenks's attack, he used more, but since he only did it once it didn't kill him.
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<br />Answer:Fucking dumbass if you refuse to use daizenshuu and you only accept the manga as an evidence,tell me where the fuck it is stated in manga that kikoho uses life force fucking retard?
<br />For the last time how many lifes has tenshinhan?
<br />Four lifes like in a fucking videogame,because he used shin kikoho 4 times,lol.
<br /><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">It is hillarious sometimes when i see people giivng the Neo tri beam a 1000X multiplier with that multiplier Tenshinhan body would be destroyed in a second if he was weak like some people tend to put him and daizenshuu tell us this when kaioken is explained.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 100%;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr style=""> <td style="border: 1pt inset; padding: 4.5pt;"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<br /></td> </tr> </tbody></table> <span style="font-size:130%;"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">If Goku could increase by x19.23 in 118 days, then using the <span style="">retarded logic </span>most people use, he would increase by 48.88x in 300 days. He would actually increase far more than that, but I will use this Tien hating logic, as even with this low level I can prove Tien reaching 1,000,000</span></b></span><span style="font-size:130%;"><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"> <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">As I mentioned here, these increasing boosts are wrong. Let me show you with a simple argument:</span></span></b></span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Lets say Krillin was PL:100 and he trained for 5 years, receiving a x2 increase each year. Using the previous incorrect logic, we would detirmine him to increase by x10 in 5 years. </span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">However, what would actually happen is this.</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Krillin(Start):100</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Krillin(End of Y1):200</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Krillin(End of Y2):400</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Krillin(End of Y3):800</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Krillin(End of Y4):1600</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Krillin(End of Y5):3200</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">He would double his strength each year, rather than by x10 in 5 years.</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">So heres where it coincides with my theory of Tienitude.</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br />So here is what I did, I went and calculated the exact % increase in PL per day, for both training with King Kai, and a x1.5 per year increase. (You can prove the exactness using the equation down the bottom, on your own home calculator)
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<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">270 days spent training</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Compared to Goku, he was there 1.6875x longer</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Goku recieved an 19.23x increase in 158 days.</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">I have calculated that to be a +0.018889% increase per day <o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p> <span style="font-size:130%;"><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Tien=286,225 Post King Kai</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">September 9 763 AD</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Tien Arrives back from King Kai</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">10 Months</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">310 days</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">If 1.5x increase per 365 days</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Calculated to + 1.001111% per day </span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">August 764</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Frieza Arrives</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">2 Years, 9 Months, 20 days</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">1040 days(rounded)</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Calculated to + 1.001111% per day Tien=1,281,510</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">May 20 767 AD</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Tien Kikoho's Cell</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">7 years</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">2600 days(rounded)</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Calculated to + 1.001111% per day Tien=22,989,422</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">May 8 774 AD</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Tien Kikoho's Buu's attack</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br />Started September 14 749
<br />Ended May 6 750
<br />Time:240 days
<br />Goku:10-124, thats a 12x in 240 days
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<br /></span></span><span style="font-size:130%;"><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Karin</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Started May 12 750</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Ended May 15 750</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Time:3 days</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Goku:124-157, thats a a 24% increase in 3 days.</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /></span><b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Kami(+6 months of individual training)</span></b><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Started Sometime in March(Let's say March 15 for averageness) 750</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Ended November 3 750</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Time:150 days with Kami, 78 on own</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Tien:250-1830, 732% increase in 228 days</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Yamcha:174-1400(?) ,804% increase in 228 days</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
<br /></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Krillin:206-1600</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">(thats a guess, based that he is stronger than Yamcha and weaker than Tien, I cannot remember proper level)</span></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;"> 770% increase in 228 days</span>
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<br /><b style="">And King Kai in an effing God. He is far superior to Kami and Co. 2000% increase in half a year.
<br /></b></span></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">As for a x6 in three years training on own, Piccolo managed a x8.75 in 150 days solitary, 138 days with Gohan(who is much weaker, and would actually slow him down for most if not all of that)</span>
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<br />Look at the bojack movie, daizenshuu and even some facts from the manga, even math proves he was beyond 1 million.
<br />In the original japanese movie.Tenshinhan said "trunks you don't need to hold back against me"
<br />Trunks replied:"OK"</span></p><span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 102); font-style: italic;font-size:180%;" ><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Fucking Tenshinhan haters,keep digging your grave deeper!!!!!!! After getting bludgeoned for the umpteenth time this is all you have?????</span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;">Question:After king kai z-warriors need gravity to improve?</p>
<br /><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;">Answer:NO,<span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Raditz, a "Top Class Warrior", as a Saiyan trained in x10 gravity his whole life, and where did it get him? Power Level above "1200" according to the manga.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;"> </p><p style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);" class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Is there a quote somewhere in the manga,daizenshuu or anime that Gravity training is the only way to increase your power once you hit the 10,000's?</span></b></span></p><span class="postbody">10x gravity is good training, Tenshinhan got a huge boost from that, bigger than Goku's, just like he got a WAY bigger boost than Goku from his training with Kami. Anyhow, training under anything less then times gravity would be ineffective correct? That's common sense, BUT common sense is thrown out the window when Goku and the others train for the androids on Earth under normal gravity, and get MUCH stronger by the time the androids come,
<br />everyone increases faster and faster regardless how they train,that is the logic in dragon ball proved by what happened in the training for the sayans.</span><span class="postbody">Plus Vegeta training in 300 gravity for 3 years and then in just a few months in the ROSAT(hyperbolic chamber) he got an even greater boost....
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<br />Toriyama didn't care about that. He just put the characters at certain levels when he needed them. </span>
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<br />Anyway,e</span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">veryone knows about gravity,these guys are smart enough to train in different ways.
<br />They always trained in the earth before and the gains were always amazing,besides their progression changes.
<br />In dbz the power increase becomes faster and faster regardless how they train.
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<br />Goten's power level was close to trunks power level without gravity.
<br />Goku ignored gravity after namek.And goku is a smart fighter.
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<br /><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">The Piccolo improvement for the android saga disproves that Gravity is the main influence on Power Gain.
<br />Actually in the past against sayans all the Z-warriors managed to made such incredible progresses,the same happens
<br />for the android saga,because everytime,Z-warriors train to a big battle,their pl's increase a lot.
<br />Just so no one uses that excuse about gravity. Tien can split form, and train against himself. Don't underestimate Training against an equal partner.
<br />About the gravity chamber </span></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">It is the same gravity chamber who didn't help much trunks to beat goten or helped vegeta to surpass goku?
<br />I guess not dumbasses.</span>
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<br />As for +50% per year, let me explain it more. To be fully honest, I can see Tien quintupling his power in a year. Tien can increase by x5 in one year"</span>
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" ><i><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Tien training in 1x gravity does not mean Zero increase. We don't know what he does for training, perhaps he does push ups with a 1 tonne boulder on his back. Now, lets say he does that in a grav chamber. If he wants more increase, he sets gravity to x2, and then its as if he is lifting a 2 ton boulder. In 1x gravity, he could simply lift 2 boulders at once, or a 2 ton boulder. He could tie 10 ton weights to his arms and legs and run/fight Chaotzu or Clones with these attached to him. When he maxes out from that, double the weight, or split into eight Tiens instead of four and keep the same weight. </span><span style="line-height: 115%;">Get it?</span></i>
<br /></span> <p style="font-weight: bold;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">It makes sense, except for the last part. Splitting into different Tenshinans wouldn't provide gain the way your thinking of it. Not because of my own knowledge or anything, but because of a simple manga fact: Splitting himself divides the strength by the number of clones created. </span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">
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<br /><span style="color:gray;">When Goku fought him, he said there are two weak-spots:</span>
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<br /><span style="color:gray;">-They were all attacking in the same way. Goku used this to his advantage when they used the eye-lazer simultaneously. The solar-flare blinded them all because they were all looking the same way.</span>
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<br /><span style="color:gray;">-It divides up the power-level. Thus, making him weaker. Goku did not flat out state this weakness in the technique but he implied it by defeating the clones effortlessly with one or two punches each. And it makes sense: If his power-level is 200 and he makes 4 clones, each clone will only have a pl of 50.</span>
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<br /><span style="color:gray;">So if Tenshinhan were to try and make gain, as far as strength is concerned, he'd need to lift a boulder/whatever that is that clone's limit. Over time, each clone would surpass it's limits until they are as strong as himself in normal form. Not only that, but Tenshinhan would reap the benefits of EACH clone's training when he puts himself back together. Have you ever watched Naruto...? The main character can use a similar attack dubbed "Kage Bunshin No Jutsu" (which means art of the doppleganger. A doppleganger is like an exact double of yourself). Anyway, Naruto's sensei told him that if he used the jutsu to split into two of himelf, and sent the other one to go do some push-ups, then when the clone came back and he recombined he'd gain that clone's experience. In other words, if that clone saw a strange bird, when it came back Naruto would know about the bird and could even recall it as if he himself experienced it.</span>
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<br /><span style="color:gray;">We don't know exactly how they "train" as the series becomes more and more complicated. The term itself is used in a very broad sense just to let the reader know they were imrpoving themselves. But the fact their power-level increases each time proves they had to be doing some strength-enhancment (not steroids, lol). And we clearly saw Goku doing push-ups, running laps, and doing stretches in the gavity room; alongside practicing his forms and priming his body to get used to the gravity.<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p style="font-weight: bold;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Exactly. With one addition. Because each of the clones is weaker than Tien, they won't have hit that theoretical "This is how strong you can get without multiple gravities thing". Or if they do, just split again until there are 400 Tiens and then they all reach the "maximum" you could achieve in x1 gravity. I love this, people say "Oh but the clones are weaker" and I say "Exactly"</span></span></p><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">A fighter needs to find tougher training <i>eventually</i>.</span></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >I can curl 50-lb dumbells for ten reps three times. In about a month or so, I get used to the weight. Now, if someone were to claim "you would no longer benefit from it" then they'd be an idiot. I AM benefiting from it. But eventually, it will no longer provide gain.</span>
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >So what would, theoretically, me curling only 50-lbs for th rest of my life do for me...? Well, it'll keep me in shape. If I stop lifting weights, I will begin to loose muscle-mass. Weight-lifting divides the cells and multiplies them to make them bulky and lean. So if I consistently use the same pattern, with the same weight, it WILL continue making cells divide. Does that make sense...?</span>
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >In other words, if Tenshinhan trains at an average rate of 1.5x per year, the mutliplyer isn't going to go down. It'll stay pretty much the same. But if he gets lazy of course it will decrease. If he pushes himself, it'll get higher. But here's the thing: If he keeps training the <u>same way</u> never pushing himself and never getting lazy, it [the multiplyer] won't get <i>that</i> much higher.</span>
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >Let's use exercise for another analogy. My usual training method is to do push-ups in sets of 50 until I get to 200; sometimes 300. Now, there are many ways to do a push-up. I can do knuckles, put hands right beneath my body, or spread them out wide so that it takes longer (among other methods). </span>
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >Let's say I like doing flat-handed push-ups where my arms are right beneath my abdomen and not spread out. This method will strengthen the biceps and the triceps at the same time. If I do 200 a day for 3 months I'll probably have really developed muscles. But again: <i>If I don't push myself or change my method I won't get much gain; I'll simply stay in shape</i>. If I want to push myself, why not simply increase the number to 400??? I'm bound to get twice as strong in the same amount of time. And if I want to improve myself even more, I should try out new <u>methods</u>. An exercise that develops my biceps and triceps is great, but let's face it, that's all it does. How about trying an exercise that develops a different area of the body...? So I start doing wide-push-ups and that'll build up my <i>chest</i> and arm-pits. Or I could do a totally different exercise like sit-ups. So the message I'm sending is "expand your horizon" so to speak.</span>
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >This has lots to do with the current discussion. Goku knew the Saiyajins were going to be even stronger than Radditz. He and Piccolo won by the skin of their teeth. In fact, they had to work togethor and Goku died in the process. So if he was getting powned by a Saiyajin, who is much weaker than his comrade, and there are TWO comrades well...it's pretty clear doing the same old work-out won't cut it; especially if you only have a year.</span>
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >Goku could have benefited greatly training with Piccolo and Gohan but...he was dead. So Kami-Sama was wise to send him to Kaio and train the Z-fighters as back-up. Goku did two things going to Kaio's:</span>
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >1-He expanded his horizon and tried something different.</span>
<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >2-He pushed himself.</span>
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<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >Sometimes even pushing yourself isn't enough. Likewise, trying so many different things can actually work against you if you aren't getting any gain from it. Both are great seperately but provide the best results together. So Goku trained far harder than he ever had and he tried something new.</span></span>
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<br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;color:gray;" >Tenshinhan was stated to train both harder <i>and</i> more innovatively than Goku (he said "I'll put my own spin on things"). Not only that, he had several sparring partners AND he was there <u>longer</u>. So going with that, how can anyone be stupid enough to think his power level increased by "half of Goku's"?! And how can you say Tenshinhan did not surpass 8,000??? People...seriously. That defies all logic; In real life, and in DBZ itself.</span></span></span><p class="MsoNormal">
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<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;">Now,i need to speak about Tenshinhan's training for the cell saga.</p><b style=""><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Piccolo has <span style="">proven </span>that he can increase his strength by 8.75x in one year. Obviously,Tenshinhan increased at least four or five times per year by comparison.
<br />Why?
<br />Because he was so close to Piccolo in the sayan saga.
<br />Well you have to use dragon ball logic,if he came from 250 to 1830 in a few months.
<br />And picccolo came from 1 million to 150.000.000, so it makes all the sense that tenshinhan at least had a pl of 11.000.000,probably much more between 30-60 millions.
<br /></span></b><span class="postbody"> Piccolo is over 1,000,000 after merging with Nail, since he bested second form Freeza, who's battle power was said to be "over 1,000,000." Third form Freeza is considerably stronger than that, as is his initial level of power when he reaches his fourth form. Vegeta is the only one who can see Freeza's movements when he powers up after being healed by Dende, so I'd put him at 2,000,000 at the very minimum.
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<br />Now, Freeza kills Vegeta with no effort at all, so he has to be at least at 3,000,000 at this point. When Goku is powered up after being healed in the healing tank, he is stated to be fighting evenly with Freeza. So, Goku's base level of 3,000,000 given in the Daizenshuu isn't a stretch at all.
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<br />From there, it's simple. Going by these rough calculations, Goku's Kaiô-Ken x20 attack would give him a battle power of about 60,000,000, as stated in the Daizenshuu. Freeza easily blocks Goku's Kaiô-Ken x20-enhanced Kamehameha with one hand, only saying that "That really hurt!!" This means that Freeza at 50% power would have to be over 60,000,000, meaning that at 100% power, he'd have to be over 120,000,000.
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<br />Goku's Super Saiyan reading of 150,000,000, therefore, is probably pretty spot-on. Meaning Piccolo, who could defeat a person somewhere near Super Saiyan Goku's level (who, at this point, is much stronger from his training), would have to have a battle power of at least 100,000,000 after his training.
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<br />This is reinforced by a statement by Kuririn when piccolo owns c-20:
<br /></span><span class="postbody"><span style="font-style: italic;">"H-he's strong...! What kind of training did Piccolo do...? H-he's not even a Super Saiyan..."
<br />Conclusion the same story repeats again like in the sayan saga,all the Z-senshi make awesome progresses,becuase they have an important battle.
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<br />Dumb retarded statement:</span></span><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">I know someone will bring up Krillin's statement - it's invalid. Piccolo was nowhere near a Super Saiyan strength, as the fight with Nos. 18 and 17 shows. Piccolo is knocked out with one hit from #17, while Vegeta fights evenly with #18 until he begins to wear out.
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<br /><span style="font-size:130%;">Answer:fucking dumbass,</span></span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="postbody"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">How well did Trunks do against #17?</span></b></span><span class="postbody"><span style="" lang="EN-US"> <b style="">They really didn't fight evenly. As soon as they both decided to take it seriously Vegeta gets his ass kicked. If anything he was able to tread water for awhile. </b></span></span><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">
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<br /><span class="postbody">Who's to say that Piccolo isn't as strong as a Super Saiyan? Sure he is taken out by #17 in <span style="">two</span> hits, but Vegeta wouldn't have done any better. Number 18 was playing with Vegeta and testing his limits. Number 17 wasn't playing around. Besides, Super Saiyan Trunks was taken out with two hits as well. Hell, Super Saiyan Trunks took less of a blow than Piccolo and was rendered unconscious. From that fight it looks like Piccolo is as strong as Super Saiyan Trunks. He might even be a little stronger.</span></span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">The thing is, because no one commented on it, all we know is that it wasn't amazing like Piccolo or the SSJ's. It could be Goku/Vegeta 300m, Piccolo 220m, Tien 11m Krillin 5m Yamcha 3m, which would make perfect sense as far as the PL comments go.</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">Dumb retarded atatement:Piccolo gained so much power likely because he did training with Goku and Gohan together during the 3 years before the Android Saga(at least that's what I remember reading, I'll have to check that later) and sparring with a SSJ>>>>sparring with chaotzu</span></b><span style="" lang="EN-US">.</span>It's actually shown in the manga,Piccolo sparring with Goku ssj.
<br /></p><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"></span><p class="MsoNormal">Answer:<span style="font-size:130%;">How can you be so fucking retarded???</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:130%;">Tenshinhan can spar against himself,dumbass,so forget the chaoz thing.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:130%;">Tenshinhan can use the 4 clone technique to spar,it is stated, actually it is logical and it helps.
<br />If tenshinhan has a pl of 100.000 and he splits in 4 each tenshinhan will have 25.000.
<br />If chaoz has 25.000 he can spar with him,spar against himself and use the fourth clone to meditate.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal;">About that manga page who shows Piccolo and gohan training against ssj goku:
<br /><span style="" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height: 115%;"> </span></p><p style="font-weight: bold;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Wrong again fucking dumbass,that page show us gohan and piccolo atacking goku ssj,but it is only a front page.
<br /></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">And Piccolo could not spar with a ssj dumbass, base goku was stronger than piccolo </span>
<br /><span style="" lang="EN-US"> in namek <span class="highlight"></span>,how could piccolo spar with a ssj?Piccolo never managed to surpass base goku before,but suddenly he can spar with a ssj who is 50 stronger than base goku.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">What about gohan,he is in that picture too.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Gohan after 3 years training for the cell saga couldn't become a ssj which means gohan was weaker than base goku in namek who fought against freeza.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">So how the fuck can gohan spar with a ssj fucking dumbass?</span></p><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Statement-Piccolo weaker than base goku? Maybe at first, but by the android saga Piccolo>>>>>>Base Goku.
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<br />Answer:It is not stated dumbass,however even if piccolo became stronger than base goku how the fuck can he spar with a ssj who is 50 times stronger than base goku.
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<br /></span> <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 100%;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr style=""> <td style="border: 1pt inset; padding: 4.5pt;"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="" lang="EN-US"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">Piccolo was stated to be training "fiercely" before Freeza arrived. His power level would be above his power when he fought Freeza. Piccolo could've lost many battles against SSJ Goku, but his power would still continue to increase.</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
<br /><span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US">Stated where?In your ass???
<br />Everybody trained fiercely at the time.
<br />According to dumbasses to train without sparring partner or gravity no gains.
<br />Well piccolo trained alone.
<br />However, piccolo and all the others were impressed with goku's improvements when he came back to the earth
<br />and made <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">a demonstrattion against Trunks</span></span></span></span><a href="http://www.google.com.br/custom?hl=pt-BR&client=pub-0920003976390070&cof=FORID:9%3BAH:left%3BS:http://www.googlediscovery.com/labs/googleblack/%3BCX:Google%2520Black%3BL:http://www.google.com/lightsoutsf/logo_black.gif%3BLH:55%3BLP:1%3BBGC:%23000000%3BT:%23FFFFFF%3BLC:%23FFFFFF%3BGALT:%23FFFFFF%3B&ad=w9&cx=008848615193038712761:nydm45qllgk&adkw=AELymgUyvMcFC2-dOrzGO1QHfrEG7ouzrkLlpUeGrNN1OkPH2z3d7m9n3RyCTygryO70bNDwrqA-enMyl_CUQ7KUO6vkpZv97QqbyJUdi_DR8KgGcC-kR8RuBPXDKyESDoF9M-EWrC4a&rurl=http://www.googlediscovery.com/labs/googleblack/search.html%3Fcx%3D008848615193038712761%253Anydm45qllgk%26cof%3DFORID%253A9%26q%3Dexibiction%26btnG%3DPesquisa%2BGoogle%26google_rsg%3D__DPk62PxsMEzcS_88QAUc0LPYsKs%3D&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=exhibition&spell=1" class="p"><b><i></i></b></a> <span style="line-height: 115%;" lang="EN-US"> and that is a stated fact in the manga,dumbass.
<br />Base piccolo could not compete with a ssj.Ssj increases your pl 50 times.
<br />Piccolo never surpassed base goku before.Base goku in namek was more powerfull than piccolo how can piccolo surpass him before those 3 years?
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<br /><span style="font-size:130%;">Final conclusion,</span>
<br /></span><span style="font-size:130%;"><b style=""><span style="" lang="EN-US">as the characters progress their power grows higher, faster. </span></b><span style="" lang="EN-US">Example when they were in the Saiyan saga they went from hundreds to thousands,later thousands to millions and the logic is that so the difference between humans/tien and super namek piccolo/sayans is still in the millions which is a lot,but all of them are in the millions. Tenshinhan went from 250(manga) to 1830 in just a year from earth training, though he had been around for 20 years he only got around 350 (and piccolo 408),
<br />and he'd been training a lot, now in just a year he excelled to near 2,000 even goku a sayan only improved in 3 years 70 units he came up from 260 to 330 in 23 BT,later against nappa <span class="highlight">krillin</span> had 1.083 and piccolo 1220 which proves they improve in the same pace,
<br />so
<br />when some people says humans or a semi-human like <span class="highlight">tien</span> couln't surpass ginew it makes me laugh because it is a wrong assumption, in the end all of them were a lot stronger than freezer.
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<br />So there's no reason he couldnt go from 1,830 to 68,000 and beat the ginew force especially with Kaio's training. It wouldnt be that hard to achieve for Tenshinhan yamcha or <span class="highlight">krillin</span> in the same training conditions.
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<br />Some guys prefer ignore the fact that as DBZ continues peoples power gets higher and higher A LOT faster. So evidently they can increase their strength by a good ways still.. EVERYone increases faster, regardless of how the train.When one person trains a certain way the rest do it and get a huge increase too. Like Goku a sayan using the RoSaT as a kid for like 1 month and getting almost nothing , then using it full a year and increasing by the millions. So when some fans make the WRONG ASSUMPTION how the humans or an alien descent like <span class="highlight">tien</span> couldn't have powerlevels in the millions they are wrong and can't understand DB increase power logic.</span></span>All of this reinforced by the fact that there aren't powerlevels after the freeza saga,in fact,
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<span style="font-size: 100%;">This book the last of seven,is the great encyclopedia dragon ball.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 100%;">The former books already were very difficult for the creators,but with this one they reached the limit.The result is perfect.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 100%;">Even if i am the creator of dragon ball sometimes i forgot some very important details and in this encyclopedia i can find all of them.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 100%;">If i had this encyclopedia when i wrote this story would be of great help.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 100%;">Well bad luck for me .</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 100%;">Finnaly,i would like to say thank you very much to the team and of course,to all of you the dragon ball fans.</span></div>
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font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold;">Shishin no ken</span><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 100%;">:<br />Technique of the 4 bodys used by Tenshinhan against goku in the 23º budokai tenkaichi.<br />One of the special skills made by the Three Eyes or triclops Race...<br />His power however splits in four what becomes tenshinhan weaker.<br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhptVRfEEqhvO7X37Z1W45EpODa_6eFUixZl07nmqPWuEnZm7IrkY7q75Hnt7N_u8m2KqfZrR-Et1KTru6itP9OUFhO-q40V3_fbfNsEo2m56Cuc1lD6Fqs1oPeG0nhOaxwQ6fug7rnZao/s1600-h/ScreenShot025.bmp" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5058499067649575074" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhptVRfEEqhvO7X37Z1W45EpODa_6eFUixZl07nmqPWuEnZm7IrkY7q75Hnt7N_u8m2KqfZrR-Et1KTru6itP9OUFhO-q40V3_fbfNsEo2m56Cuc1lD6Fqs1oPeG0nhOaxwQ6fug7rnZao/s400/ScreenShot025.bmp" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></span><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold;">Shiyoken</span><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 100%;">:<br />Four arms.<br />Tenshinhan has this power since he was born.<br />He is the only one abble to perform this technique.<br />His ancestors,the race of the three eyes were the first ones to develop<br />this advantage in a fight.<br />Tenshinhan uses it against goku in the 22º budokai tenkaichi.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLq3ev2xNk97Pt6_eMCWkGj1yJr_uKZoZ7QNUENWbxwzEa-GPS7ub-OpfHBSbi4X5Qsgs1NP5vO9Dp0abJcCxfjyQZAtaxqOM2Q3W-u4h81HZO3yMusfh6GQEhWwLokU2NjNsuHsfC50g/s1600-h/ScreenShot027.bmp" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5058500265945450674" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLq3ev2xNk97Pt6_eMCWkGj1yJr_uKZoZ7QNUENWbxwzEa-GPS7ub-OpfHBSbi4X5Qsgs1NP5vO9Dp0abJcCxfjyQZAtaxqOM2Q3W-u4h81HZO3yMusfh6GQEhWwLokU2NjNsuHsfC50g/s400/ScreenShot027.bmp" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></span> <span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold;">Bunshin</span><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 100%;">:<br />Duplication:<br />Piccolo,krillin Médamcha use this technique.<br />It is possible to watch piccolo using this technique during his training<br /></span><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold;">Bunshin no jutsu</span><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 100%;">:<br />Ninjutsu copy technique.<br />The purple ninja uses this atack with his 4 twin brothers.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpnrr5EREzSfzycz_gkS875QNw_dzaQshkF18oAIzNkclYsjBgCXQMJeXyPOu5A0_4b-s2fmokp9zd4YoijQyxptjeN86h70NyYo7o7H9hNggvggZ3p8adVSgn71i6Osmm-JfMSZ9LP3o/s1600-h/ScreenShot034.bmp" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5058501550140672194" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpnrr5EREzSfzycz_gkS875QNw_dzaQshkF18oAIzNkclYsjBgCXQMJeXyPOu5A0_4b-s2fmokp9zd4YoijQyxptjeN86h70NyYo7o7H9hNggvggZ3p8adVSgn71i6Osmm-JfMSZ9LP3o/s400/ScreenShot034.bmp" style="cursor: pointer; 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<span style="font-size: 100%;"><b><span lang="EN-GB">Tenshinhan</span></b></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> (or <b>Tien Shinhan</b> in the </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language" title="English language"><span lang="EN-GB">English</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> anime dub, but generally just <b>Tien</b>) is a fictional character from the </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga" title="Manga"><span lang="EN-GB">manga</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 100%;"> </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball" title="Dragon Ball"><span lang="EN-GB">Dragon Ball</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">/</span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z" title="Dragon Ball Z"><span lang="EN-GB">Dragon Ball Z</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> and the </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime" title="Anime"><span lang="EN-GB">anime</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> series </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_%28original_series%29" title="Dragon Ball (original series)"><span lang="EN-GB">Dragon Ball</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> and Dragon Ball Z. He is known as <b>Shinto</b> in an early 1980's dub of Dragon Ball.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<span style="font-size: 100%;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 85%; font-weight: normal;">He is introduced as an enemy of the series' hero, </span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 85%; font-weight: normal;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_Goku_%28Dragon_Ball%29" title="Son Goku (Dragon Ball)"><span lang="EN-GB">Son Goku</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 85%; font-weight: normal;">, but soon becomes an ally. His most noticeable feature is his third eye. Tenshinhan is exceptionally strong even for an alien, but he is outpaced by the more powerful characters in the series,however in the end after the sayans and Uub he is the stronger warrior,however some say Piccolo keeps his place ahead,it is an arguable question only because Piccolo had a bigger role in the show. He is usually accompanied by </span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 85%; font-weight: normal;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaozu" title="Chaozu"><span lang="EN-GB">Chaozu</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Arial; font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: 85%;">, his training partner.He belongs to the triclop alien race, the people of the three eyes(this is stated by akira Toriyama in the book dragon Bal Dayzenshuu 7 published in <st1:country-region st="on"><st1:country-region st="on">Japan</st1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <span style="font-size: 85%;"><st1:country-region st="on"><st1:country-region st="on"><st1:place st="on">France</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:country-region>,<st1:country-region st="on">Luxembourg</st1:country-region></span></span><span style="font-size: 85%;"><st1:country-region st="on"><st1:place st="on">Belgium </st1:place></st1:country-region></span></span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%; font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: 85%;"><st1:country-region st="on">Switzerland</st1:country-region> and <st1:country-region st="on"><st1:place st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region></span>.</span> <br />
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Like a handful of other characters from the original Dragon Ball, Tenshinhan is inspired by a character from </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West" title="Journey to the West"><span lang="EN-GB">Journey to the West</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">; his unique feature of having a third eye was derived from the Chinese god </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erlang_Shen" title="Erlang Shen"><span lang="EN-GB">Erlang Shen</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"><span style="font-size: 100%;">.</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">GOKU'S RIVALS IN DRAGON BALL /DRAGON BALL Z</span><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsX7dRfpopINsJP1YMWVf9-LO0KZW582nfiLa8aFyOtG_T2KRdYuN8m8nxvujq829GltKNO1j9xTUabq0Hy8iBIoPGLhnjzuhkho6GS8QC845GDUKHMccdnqX6zPKH6Km5u0wHLLhTJ98/s1600-h/ScreenShot002.bmp" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5060090022320262002" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsX7dRfpopINsJP1YMWVf9-LO0KZW582nfiLa8aFyOtG_T2KRdYuN8m8nxvujq829GltKNO1j9xTUabq0Hy8iBIoPGLhnjzuhkho6GS8QC845GDUKHMccdnqX6zPKH6Km5u0wHLLhTJ98/s400/ScreenShot002.bmp" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 299px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 398px;" /></a><br />
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshinhan#Dragon_Ball"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Dragon Ball</span></a></span> </li>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshinhan#22nd_Tenka.27ichi_Bud.C3.B4kai_saga"><span class="tocnumber">1.1</span> <span class="toctext">22nd Tenka'ichi Budôkai saga</span></a></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshinhan#King_Piccolo_saga"><span class="tocnumber">1.2</span> <span class="toctext">King Piccolo saga</span></a></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshinhan#Piccolo_Junior_saga"><span class="tocnumber">1.3</span> <span class="toctext">Piccolo Junior saga</span></a></span></li>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshinhan#Dragon_Ball_Z"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Dragon Ball Z</span></a></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshinhan#Non-canon"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Non-canon</span></a></span> </li>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshinhan#Anime_filler"><span class="tocnumber">3.1</span> <span class="toctext">Anime filler</span></a></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshinhan#Dragon_Ball_GT"><span class="tocnumber">3.2</span> <span class="toctext">Dragon Ball GT</span></a></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshinhan#Dragon_Ball_movies"><span class="tocnumber">3.3</span> <span class="toctext">Dragon Ball movies</span></a></span></li>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Tenshinhan is first introduced to the series at the 22nd </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenka%27ichi_Bud%C3%B4kai" title="Tenka'ichi Budôkai"><span lang="EN-GB">Tenka'ichi Budôkai</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> (Strongest Under the Heavens Fighting(Martial Arts) Tournament) during the </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshinhan_Saga" title="Tenshinhan Saga"><span lang="EN-GB">Tenshinhan Saga</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">. He is a student of the Crane Hermit, who is entering his two top pupils (Tenshinhan and Chaozu) to defeat the students of his rival, the Turtle Hermit </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muten-R%C3%B4shi" title="Muten-Rôshi"><span lang="EN-GB">Muten-Rôshi</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">In his battle with Yamcha, Tenshinhan finds his first challenge at the tournament thus far. The match starts off fairly evenly, with Yamcha seeming to pull ahead slightly after knocking Tenshinhan down with his <b>Shin Rougafufuken</b> (New Wolf Fang Fist). Tenshinhan then starts to take the fight seriously, and readies himself against the attack, brutally countering when Yamcha tries it again. Weakened by Tenshinhan's assault, Yamcha tries his wild card, and fires a </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_%28Dragon_Ball%29" title="Kamehameha (Dragon Ball)"><span lang="EN-GB">Kamehameha</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> at Tenshinhan. Tenshinhan is able to reflect the attack however, forcing Yamcha to dodge. In his state of disbelief, Tenshinhan is able to get a powerful hit on Yamcha. As Yamcha falls to the ground Tenshinhan does one final attack, diving down and smashing his knee into Yamcha's leg, breaking it. </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goku_%28Dragon_Ball%29" title="Goku (Dragon Ball)"><span lang="EN-GB">Goku</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> rushes out once the match is over and promises to avenge the unneeded brutality.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Tenshinhan's next fight is against Muten-Rôshi, again using the alias of Jackie Chun. It is again a fairly even battle, with no fighter at an obvious advantage until Tenshinhan uses his <b>Taiyô-ken</b> (Fist of the Sun) technique to temporarily blind Jackie and then land a powerful knee attack to the back of Jackie's neck, nearly knocking him down long enough to win. As the fight progress, Jackie tries to convince Tenshinhan to abandon the evil ways of Tsuru-Sen'nin. This, along with some telepathic help from Tsuru-Sen'nin, reveals Jackie's true identity to Tenshinhan. In response to this, Tenshinhan launches a Kamehameha at Roshi, having learned it from observing Yamcha during the earlier fight. Roshi, worried that it would harm spectators, is able to deflect the blast into the sky. After witnessing this, Roshi compliments Tenshinhan and exits out of the ring, forfeiting the match.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">After the match is over, Tenshinhan is disturbed by why Roshi let him win. He knows that Roshi does not fear him, and that Roshi didn't even fight to his full ability. He soon confronts Roshi, demanding an explanation. Roshi tells him that it's time for a new generation of fighters to take over from the old, and that Tenshinhan is part of them. He also states that Tenshinhan is not truly evil at heart. Until the start of the final match with Goku, Roshi's words keep going through Tenshinhan's mind.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">The fight between Tenshinhan and Son Goku starts off fast. Tenshinhan takes an early advantage and lands some powerful hits on Goku, but Goku is largely unaffected and retaliated with several hits of his own. Even Tenshinhan 's Taiyoken is defeated, as Goku simply put on some sunglasses (Kame Sen'nin's to be precise)when he tried it. When Goku next moves in to attack, he is frozen in place, allowing Tenshinhan to land a hit. This happens several more times, and Tenshinhan pummels Goku until he realizes that Chaozu is behind it. Tenshinhan telepathically tells Chaozu to stop interfering in his match, as he wants to beat Goku fairly. This angers the Crane Hermit, who then orders Tenshinhan to kill Goku. Tenshinhan defiantly states he won't kill Goku, both because he doesn't want to be disqualified, and that he no longer wants to be an assassin like Tao Pai Pai. The now infuriated Crane Hermit orders Chaozu to kill both Tenshinhan and Goku and when Chaozu refuses, Crane then threatens to kill him instead. Roshi puts an end to this by blasting Crane out of the stadium with a Kamahameha, allowing Tenshinhan and Goku to concentrate on their match.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Tenshinhan then attempts one of his "ace-up-sleeve" technique, and uses his <b>Shiyoken</b> (Fist of Four Arms) ability to grow an extra set of arms. Goku counters by using a pseudo-eight arms technique he learned from an earlier fight in the tournament, which Tenshinhan is hard-pressed to defend against. With that failed, Tenshinhan drops the two extra arms and decides to use his final attack, the <b>Kikoho</b>(Energy Canon). He warns Goku to dodge the blast, forcing him out of the arena, as there is no way to survive being hit by it. Tenshinhan then floats high in the air and uses the attack, destroying the entire arena. Goku did dodge the blast though, leaping incredibly high in the air. Tenshinhan is convinced he'll win at this point, as he can fly usin the Air hovering technique (buku jutsu) and Goku can't. Goku readies one final Kamehameha and, at the last moment, turns around, using the attack to send him rocketing into Tenshinhan. Both fighters fall to the ground, Goku slightly ahead. He tries to use another, smaller Kamehameha wave to slow himself down, but is hit by truck and lands first. Tenshinhan lands an instant later, thus winning the tournament.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">After the match, Tenshinhan offers Goku half of the prize money, as he recognizes that it was mere luck that he won. He also apologizes to Yamcha for using such excessive force during their fight. Roshi offers to let Tenshinhan stay at the Kame House, but Tenshinhan declines, stating that he can not follow the teachings of another, even if he has betrayed his master.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">The good mood is short-lived however, as soon Kuririn is found dead at the tournament location after going back to fetch Goku's </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyoi-bo" title="Nyoi-bo"><span lang="EN-GB">Nyoi-bo</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">. Along with his body there was note with the character 'Ma' (demon) on it. Roshi tells everyone that it represents an incredibly powerful Demon King, </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccolo_Daimaou" title="Piccolo Daimaou"><span lang="EN-GB">Piccolo</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">, who was sealed away centuries ago by Roshi's old master using the suicidal </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dragon_Ball_special_abilities#Mafuba" title="List of Dragon Ball special abilities"><span lang="EN-GB">Mafuba</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> technique, but is now apparently free again.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Realizing the gravity of the situation, Tenshinhan volunteers to help in anyway he can. He is informed of the </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_%28artifact%29" title="Dragon Ball (artifact)"><span lang="EN-GB">Dragon Balls</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> and, along with Chaozu and Roshi, is soon on a quest to retrieve them. The plan is that they will use the power of the </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenlong_%28Dragon_Ball%29" title="Shenlong (Dragon Ball)"><span lang="EN-GB">dragon</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> to wish for the death of Piccolo, preventing him from wreaking havoc on the world again.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">It is futile however, as after Piccolo arrives he swallows his two Dragon Balls, suspecting a trap. Tenshinhan prepares for battle regardless, but is knocked out by Roshi and dragged out of sight into a cave. Semi-conscious, Tenshinhan witnesses Roshi's stand against the powerful Demon King, watching as Roshi uses the Mafuba and nearly succeeds at trapping him again, but fails when the containing jar closes slightly too early. Roshi then dies as Piccolo escapes unharmed from the attack and joins the seven balls together to make a wish to restore his youth.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Tenshinhan keeps up his training, redoubling his efforts after learning that Goku is being trained by </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kami_%28Dragon_Ball%29" title="Kami (Dragon Ball)"><span lang="EN-GB">Kami</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">, Guardian of the Earth. With the dragon restored, a wish is made to bring all those killed by Piccolo back to life. Tenshinhan then trains with Yamcha and the newly resurrected Kuririn and Chaozu until they are informed by Roshi that, to be able to compete with Goku, they are going to need to find better ways to train then are available at the Kame House. They all head to </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karin%27s_Tower&action=edit" title="Karin's Tower"><span lang="EN-GB">Karin's Tower</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> and train with </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin" title="Karin"><span lang="EN-GB">Karin</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> before each going their own separate way.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Three years after Piccolo's defeat, Tenshinhan, along with Yamcha and Kuririn, return to compete in the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budôkai. He is somewhat surprised to see the now teenaged Goku and hopeful that he's even more powerful than Goku. His real shock, however, is seeing </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccolo_%28Dragon_Ball%29" title="Piccolo (Dragon Ball)"><span lang="EN-GB">Piccolo</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> (who is going by the alias "Ma Junior" (<i>Demon Junior</i>)), and realizing that something of the Demon King has survived. He remains silent about the matter for the time, not wishing to create a panic.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">The early matches seem to be going as usual, with the group quickly dispatching their foes. Tenshinhan then receives a horrible vision of something happening to Chaozu. He races to the scene and finds Chaozu heavily wounded and unconscious, his opponent turning out to be the now cybernetic Tao Pai Pai. Taopaipai explains that after his seeming death by Goku, he was rebuilt into the half-man half-machine before them, and that he seeks revenge on both Goku and the "traitor" Tenshinhan. Tenshinhan gladly accepts his challenge, wanting to avenge Chaozu.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">They get their wish as the Tenshinhan and Taopaipai are the first of the eight finalists to fight. Taopaipai lunges at Tenshinhan, but Tenshinhan sidesteps and counters, knocking Taopaipai to the ground. Tenshinhan then states that he forgives Taopaipai for what he did to Chaozu and tells him to forfeit. Taopaipai refuses this and presses on his assault, though he is clearly outclassed by Tenshinhan. After Tenshinhan grabs one of Taopaipai's wrists, Taopaipai pulls a surprise maneuver and detaches his mechanical hand, revealing a knife which he quickly uses to slash Tenshinhan. Though disqualified for use of a weapon, Taopaipai doesn't care and quickly drops his other hand to reveal a cannon and fires a <b>Super Dodon-pa</b> at Tenshinhan. Tenshinhan nullifies the large blast with his <b>Kiai</b> and then proceeds to defeat Taopaipai with a single punch to the gut. He takes Taopaipai's unconscious body out of bounds and presents it to the watching Crane Hermit, telling him to take Taopaipai and leave, never bothering him again.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Tenshinhan's next fight is the one he's been waiting for, a rematch against Goku. The battle starts with numerous quick sparrings and shows to be fairly even, but with Tenshinhan having an edge in raw speed. This changes after Goku removes his weighted clothing though, making Goku fast enough to steal Tenshinhan's belt without Tenshinhan even noticing. Realizing that he won't be able to defeat Goku physically, Tenshinhan uses a new technique he's created the <b>Shishin No Ken</b> (Fist of Four Bodies derives from his alien condition it isn' t a clone like krilin and piccolo are going to use later against nappa) and splits into four identical copies of himself. The Tenshinhan's disperse to the four corners of the ring, each one then firing a ki blast at the center, where Goku is, resulting in a large explosion which Goku has to leap to avoid. The Tenshinhan's quickly fire again, this time from their third eyes, at Goku, sending him crashing back to the ring. The Tenshinhan's warn Goku to give up before he gets hurt, but he appears unphased by their attacks, and states they won't be able to pull off that trick again, which they then promptly attempt. Goku dodges the beams this time though, and uses the Taiyô-ken against them, blinding the Tenshinhan's. He then quickly dispatches each of them, causing them to revert back to the single being. Goku states that the new technique Tenshinhan has a critical weakness, as Tenshinhan's power is divided amongst the duplicates. With the fight over, Tenshinhan looks forward to their next rematch, suspecting that Goku was still holding quite a bit back.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 100%;">When it looks like Goku has been beaten, with Piccolo close to finishing him off, Tenshinhan reluctantly accepts the order from Kami to kill the elderly guardian, thus also killing Piccolo. He is stopped by Goku though, who evades the demon's onslaught and ends up defeating him with a surprise attack.<o:p></o:p><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Dragon Ball Z</span></span></div>
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<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Vegeta</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">, deciding to toy with his opponents, has </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Nappa, grow several </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">cultivers </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> in the Earth's soil so he can hold a small tournament. Knowing that they have to buy time, the Z Fighters agree to this, and Tenshinhan volunteers to go first. He manages to quickly defeat the vicious creature, causing Vegeta to destroy it for incompetence.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">After all the cultivers are destroyed, Nappa decides to enter the fray himself, taking on Tenshinhan as his first opponent. Tenshinhan is no match for the giant warrior, and has his left arm ripped off early in the fight. Seeing this, Chaozu sacrifices himself with a kamikaze attack against Nappa, who remains unharmed and starts to fight with the now ally Piccolo and Goku's </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> son Songohan Tenshinhan, enraged by the death of Chaozu, puts all his remaining strength into one final Kikoho attack through his remaining right hand, killing himself in the process. The attack manages to do serious damage to Nappa's armor and several scratches in the body, but it isn' t enough to kill him.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Because of the influence of Kami, after he perished Tenshinhan was allowed train on Kaio-sama's planet as Goku did earlier. Joining him were there other warriors who perished in the battle with the saiyans: Yamcha, Piccolo and Chaozu. He remains there and learns of Goku's mighty struggle with the evil tyrant Freezer </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">on the planet Namek</span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Namek" title="Planet Namek"><span lang="EN-GB"></span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">. He is eventually wished back to life by a wish made to </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Polunga</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">After returning to Earth, Tenshinhan and Chaozu go into solitude, training in the mountains. They are interrupted when they sense a powerful evil and flying to the location where it's coming from, Tenshinhan finds Vegeta (who was somewhat reformed during the crisis on Namek and now resides on Earth with </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Bulma</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">) and the other Z Fighters who inform him that the ki he is detecting is Freeza, who somehow survived.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">Tenshinhan makes </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameo" title="Cameo"><span lang="EN-GB"></span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">cameo appearances in</span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-style: italic;">Dragon ball Gt</span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"> episodes 40 (<i>Piccolo's Decision</i>) and 64 (<i>Until We Meet Again...</i>). In episode 64 he is seen training under a flow of water with Chaozu.</span></div>
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4-The history of Trunks<br />
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<span style="text-decoration: underline;">6-Dragon ball z budokai tenkaichi 2</span><br />
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Tenshinhan's third eye has numerous capabilities.</span></span></div>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold;"><i><span lang="EN-GB">Kousengan</span></i></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">: A thin laser-like energy beam shot from Tenshinhan's third eye. </span><span style="font-size: 100%;">It can stun his opponents.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold;"><i><span lang="EN-GB">Copy Attack</span></i></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">: Tenshinhan can observe and learn the attacks of his opponents. During the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budôkai, he used this ability to mimic Yamcha's Kamehameha in his battle against Jackie Chun. He also uses it later to learn the Mafuba technique after watching Roshi perform it.</span></li>
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<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Bukujutsu</span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"><br />This is the ability to fly using one's ki. Tien simply controls his energy and pushes out from underneath him allowing him to fly.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 100%;"><b><span lang="EN-GB">Kiai</span></b></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"><br />Tenshinhan can nullify ki blasts within a close proximity, provided that they are not too powerful for him. It is basically a shout.</span></div>
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<dt>By placing their hands together, the user releases a powerful, constant stream of energy that is hurled at an opponent through the user's palms. Tenshinhan copied this skill from Yamcha.</dt>
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<b>Hanegaeshi</b><br />
Tenshinhan performs quick hand seals and has his hands folded in front of chest with two fingers together pointed out. After doing so and concentrating his power, he was able to reflect a <i>Kamehameha</i> shot at him by Yamcha and mirror it back at him.<br />
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<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Kikoho/Qi Qong</span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"><br />Tenshinhan puts his hands (one over the other making a square reticule. He then looks through the opening at his opponent and unleashes a blast. This is Tenshinhan's most powerful attack, but it drains his lifeforce and is potentially fatal if overused. Tenshinhan later upgrades this to the <i>Shinkikôhô</i> . In the Dragon Ball dub, it's the <i>Spirit Cannon</i>, and the DBZ dub, it's the <i>Tri-Beam</i>.</span></div>
<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold;"><i>Shinkikôhô</i></span>It is an upgrade to <i>ShinKikoho</i> and he is then able to fire the blast multiple times in rapid succession. Known as the <i>Tri-Beam</i> in english releases. The <i>Shinkikoho</i> is called <i>Neo Tri-Beam</i> in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.<br />
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<dt>While Tenshinhan doesn't uses this technique in neither the manga nor the anime, in the video game Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 2, he can use this technique to fuse with Yamcha and become Yamhan (Tiencha in the US version)</dt>
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<b>Terepashi</b><br />
Known as <b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepathy" title="Telepathy">Telepathy</a></b> in English, this ability channels one's thoughts to another being. Tenshinhan does so with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaozu" title="Chaozu">Chaozu</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Humans_in_Dragon_Ball#Tsuru-Sen.27nin" title="List of Humans in Dragon Ball">Tsuru-Sen'nin</a>.<br />
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Known as <b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_wave" title="Shock wave">Shock wave</a></b> in English, an invisible ki blast of a sudden wind attack can be launched theoretically from any part of the body. It's generally not as powerful as other attacks. Tenshinhan used this against a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_other_aliens_in_Dragon_Ball#Saibaman" title="List of other aliens in Dragon Ball">Saibaman</a> before knocking it down with a single elbow blow<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold;"><i><br /></i></span><br />
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<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Shishin no ken</span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"><br />Tenshinhan is able to split himself into 4 separate identical bodies, each of which possesses one fourth of the power of the original. It is quite useful for attacking the opponent at multiple angles. Fans mistakenly reer to it as 12 Eyes because Tenshinhan claims he can't beat Son Goku with three eyes so he'll have to use twelve.</span></div>
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<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Shiyoken</span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"><br />Tenshinhan can sprout 2 extra arms from behind his shoulders, increasing his combat effectiveness. Tenshinhan only uses this move once against Goku during the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budokai</span></div>
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<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Taioken (Fist of the sun)</span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"><br />Tenshinhan is able to create an extremely bright light, enough to temporarily blind and stun most opponents. It is used by several </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Z senshi</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">, he is the creator of this technique.</span></div>
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<b>Kikanju Tsuki</b> <i>Machine Gun Thrust</i>, also known as the <i><b>Machine Gun Fist</b></i>, Tenshinhan quickly attacks his opponent by punching them in all of their vital points.<br />
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<b>Rekka Kosoku-ken</b> <i>Light-Speed Fury Punch</i>, also known as the <i><b>Rapid Velocity Technique</b></i>, Tenshinhan moves his '''<i><b>arms'''</b></i> faster than can be seen, creating a <b>vacuum</b> that <b>sucks</b> <b>his</b> opponent in and then pummels them with a total of 20 hits to their <b>vital areas</b> in one breath. This attack was used once during the 22nd <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenkaichi_Budokai" title="Tenkaichi Budokai">Tenkaichi Budokai</a> in the <b>anime only</b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">.</span></div>
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<b>Kaiō-Ken</b> <b>(Fist of Kaiō)</b><br />
<dl><dd>The Kaioken was taught to Tenshinhan by Kaio-Sama and is one of Tenshinhan's most powerfull attacks in the <i>Dragon Ball</i> series . The Kaioken is a sudden eruption of ki, doubling Tenshinhan's physical abilities and strength. Through training, Tenshinhan was able to increase the multiplier that the Kaiōken had on his power. Even though this attack gives Tenshinhan a sudden explosion of energy, the effect of it is extremely dangerous. If Tenshinhan multiplies the attack too much for his body to handle, he could kill himself by vaporizing his body.However, later Tenshinhan masters this technique and can increase his power level 20 times.Tenshinhan (with goku) is the only one who can control this technique perfectly without repercussions in his body.</dd></dl>
<b>Mafuba</b> - (<i>Evil Containment Wave</i> in the US anime) <i>(Demon Seal)</i> was invented by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Humans_in_Dragon_Ball#Mutaito" title="List of Humans in Dragon Ball">Mutaito</a> (Kame Sennin's sensei) as a way to capture <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccolo_Daimao" title="Piccolo Daimao">Piccolo Daimao</a>. The problem with this technique is that it sacrifices the user's life if he isn't strong enough. First, you hold one hand in the air, palm up, and stick two fingers out. Basically, you concentrate on the user and pick them up, forcing their spirit to a destination. In all the cases, the user was forced into a container with a holy talisman charm reading "seal". The aim has to be perfect in order to get the user inside the jar, and it takes a great deal of discipline.Tenshinhan is the only one who can perform this technique with Piccolo Jr. and Kami without dying.<br />
After watching Kame Sennin himself attempt the <b>Mafuba</b> against <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccolo_Daimao" title="Piccolo Daimao">Piccolo Daimao</a>,. In the end,Tenshinhan masters this technique with only 3 days of training due to his third eye, the technique, however, did require some extensive training on his part . Mutaito took an year to control it.<br />
In the manga he can't use the technique against Piccolo Daimaoh because the holy talisman is broken during his training. In the anime though, he uses it on Drum and survives, whereas in the manga he never had a chance of using it against Piccolo Daimao or any of his footmen for that matter.<br />
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">His </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiyuu" title="Seiyuu"><span lang="EN-GB"></span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">seiyuu is </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Hirotaka Suzuoki</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">. </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">His name is directly taken from a food consisting of rice with scrambled eggs and soup.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">When holding Cell back with his Shinkikôhô technique, the crater that the attack creates is shaped as a square, not a triangle.</span></li>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">His </span><span style="font-size: 100%;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiyuu" title="Seiyuu"><span lang="EN-GB"></span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">seiyuu is </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Hirotaka Suzuoki</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">. </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 100%;">His name is directly taken from a food consisting of rice with scrambled eggs and soup.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: 100%;"><b>Ten Shin Han</b>:es un extraterrestre descendiente de alienigenas <i>Tres Ojos</i> </span><span style="font-size: 100%; font-weight: normal;">(<span class="t_nihongo_kanji" lang="ja">三つ目人</span><span class="t_nihongo_comma" style="display: none;">,</span> <i><span class="t_nihongo_romaji">Mitsume Jin</span></i><span class="t_nihongo_help"><sup><a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayuda:Idioma_japon%C3%A9s" title="Ayuda:Idioma japonés"><span class="t_nihongo_icon" style="color: #0000ee; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: bold; line-height: normal; padding: 0pt 0.1em; text-decoration: none;">?</span></a></sup></span>)</span><span style="font-size: 100%;"> Chaoz.</span></div>
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