domingo, 8 de novembro de 2009

Tenshinhan's tecniques explained in the Daizenshuu

Tenshinhan
Kamehameha [kamehameha]

1-Deflection [~hanekaeshi]
2-Kiai Extinguisher [kiai keshi]
3-Ki Blast [kikouha]
Kikoho [kikouhou=”Ki Manipulation Cannon”]

4-Shin~ [shin~; lt. “new”]
5-Beam Eyes [kousengan]
6-Shishin no Ken [shishin no ken; lt. “Four-Body Fist”]
7-Shiyouken [shiyou ken; lt. “Four-Arm Fist”]
8-Taiyo-ken [taiyou ken; lt. “Fist of the Sun”]
9-Dodonpa [dodon pa]
10-Haikyuuken [haikyuu ken; lt. “Volleyball Fist”]
11-Bukujutsu [bukuu jutsu]
12-Machinegun Thrust [mashingan-zuki]
13-Mafuuba [Mafuuba; lt. “Demon Seal Wave”]








1-
Shishin no Ken [Fist of Four Bodies]

First Appearance: Chapter 178
Category: combo
People: Tenshinhan
Special Characteristics: A technique that Tenshinhan used during his fight with Goku at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai. Using the body-splitting abilities that are characteristic of the Three-Eyed People, he lunges into a combo attack. He surrounds his opponent on four sides and fires ki blasts from his hands. Then, when his opponent jumps into the air to avoid the ki blasts, he fires a strange beam from his eyes. However, its weakness is that because he divided his power between four people, his attack power, defense power, and all the rest become 1/4th their usual. (Daizenshuu 2, p.208/Daizenshuu 4, p.69, p.115)

2-Shiyouken [Fist of Four Arms]
First Appearance: Chapter 132
Category: special
People: Tenshinhan
Special Characteristics: A unique attack technique where he forms protuberances from his shoulder blades, which he then changes into arms. Tenshinhan is the only one capable of using this technique, which is largely related to the abilities he was born with. In short, like the Shishin no Ken, this is also a technique that takes advantage of the special abilities of his ancestors, the Three-Eyed People. Tenshinhan used this technique during his fight with Goku during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai. Unleashing an opening-free attack with his four arms, Goku wasn’t able to seize the opportunity to counterattack. (Daizenshuu 2, p.206/Daizenshuu 4, p.114)

Kaio-Ken
First Appearance: Chapter 226
Category: ki manipulation
People: Son Goku
Special Characteristics: A technique that instantly amplifies the ki inside one’s body, multiplying all that person’s abilities, including power, speed, defense, etc. Since it makes one capable of utilizing battle power many times their own ability, it is extraordinarily effective during battles with formidable opponents. However, because it is impossible to multiply excessively far beyond one’s abilities, experimenting with an unreasonably high Kaio-Ken might destroy one’s own body. When the user’s battle power is 8,000, their limit is x2, and when they are at 3 million the limit is x10. However, since real battles are harsh, Goku often had to use Kaio-Ken above those limits. The Kaio-Ken’s designer is the North Kaio, but Goku was the first person to be able to master it. (Daizenshuu 2, p.212/ Daizenshuu 4, p.113)


3-Kiai Extinguisher
First Appearance: Chapter 170
Category: ki manipulation
People: Tenshinhan, Son Goku
Special Characteristics: A technique where you extinguish a ki manipulation-type attack merely by firing a kiai. Tenshinhan instantly extinguished the Super Dodon-pa that Tao Pai Pai fired at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai, and Goku did the same to Nappa’s ki blast.



4-Kikoho [Ki Manipulation Cannon]
First Appearance: Chapter 133
Category: ki manipulation
People: Tenshinhan
Special Characteristics: The secret weapon of the Tsuru-sen School. It concentrates a kiai into one point, then releases it in a single burst. Its main difference between ki blast-type techniques is that its trajectory cannot be seen. Its destructive power is formidable enough to instantly obliterate the Tenkaichi Budoukai arena. Indeed, it is characteristic of the techniques from the Tsuru-sen School, whose objective is to mercilessly kill people. Because this technique heavily uses up one’s internal energy, it can only be used to decide the match in a single shot. (Daizenshuu 2, p.206/Daizenshuu 4, p.111)


5- Shin~ [New~]
First Appearance: Chapter 373
People: Tenshinhan
Special Characteristics: A technique that increases the force of the Kikoho. An attack that becomes possible when one has improved their abilities through intense training. Tenshinhan fired this technique to stop Cell from moving when Cell was trying to absorb No.18, but he used up all of his power and collapsed. (Daizenshuu 4, p.112)


6- Kamehameha
First Appearance: Chapter 14
Category: ki manipulation
People: Kame-sennin, Son Goku, Son Gohan, Yamcha, Jacky Chun, Krillin, Son Gohan (grandpa), Tenshinhan, Cell, Majin Buu (good, evil, pure)
Special Characteristics: A ki manipulation technique thought up by Kame-sennin. It is a technique that condenses ki into one point and then fires it. The technique’s force changes based on the strength of its user’s ki, and if mastered it also becomes possible to control its force. Son Goku soon picked up this technique, perhaps because of his ki training with Son Gohan (grandpa), or perhaps due to his special characteristics as a Saiya-jin. Tenshinhan also easily copied it. From this, it can be said that it is possible to use the Kamehameha merely by being able to control one’s ki. (Daizenshuu 2, p.202/Daizenshuu 4, p.111)
Anime: The first person to use it in the movies is Kame-sennin in “The Legend of Shenron”. Goku picked it up after seeing Kame-sennin’s technique (Daizenshuu 6, p.16). In “A Dangerous Pair!! Super Warriors Can’t Rest”, Goku, Gohan, and Goten implement a three-person Father-Son Kamehameha. It obliterated the formidable enemy Broli (Daizenshuu 6, p.124). In “The Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta”, a fake Goku that appeared in Janenba’s hand fired one (Daizenshuu 6, p.142).



7- Deflection
First Appearance: Chapter 118
People: Tenshinhan
Special Characteristics: A technique where by judging the timing of a Kamehameha’s approach, he fires a kiai to deflect the Kamehameha back at his opponent. He used this on Yamcha’s Kamehameha during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai




8- Kousengan(beam eyes)
First Appearance: Chapter 149
Category: ability
People: Piccolo Daimao, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Freeza,
Special Characteristics: They attack their opponents by firing a destructive beam from both eyes with a sharp glance. Its force is in proportion to the user’s power. It’s an attack that takes advantage of innate abilities.

9- Taiyou-Ken [Fist of the Sun]
First Appearance: Chapter 124
Category: ki manipulation
People: Tenshinhan, Krillin, Son Goku, Cell
Special Characteristics: A Tsuru-sen School technique. Tenshinhan first used it during his fight with Goku at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai [he actually first uses it against Jacky Chun]. Gathering ki in his upper body, he converts it to light energy and radiates it out in front of his face. Blinding the opponent’s eyes, this is used when retreating from battle. The amount of light is connected to the strength of the person’s ki, and the light source will become stronger the more ki the user has. The first person from outside the Tsuru-sen School to use this technique was Goku. (Daizenshuu 4, p.113)



10- Dodonpa
First Appearance: Chapter 86
Category: ki manipulation
People: Tao Pai Pai, Chaozu, Tenshinhan
Special Characteristics: A Tsuru-sen School assassination secret weapon thought up by Tsuru-sennin. Concentrating ki in their fingertips, with a cry of “Dodon-pa!!”, they fire a thin, sharp, arrow-like ki at the opponent, inflicting damage. In order to be certain to kill the opponent in one hit, it is fired to aim at vital spots such as the heart. However, its attack range isn’t as wide as the Kamehameha, and a person with a high battle rating can stop this technique with the palm of their hands. During their battle in the Karin Holy Land where the dragonballs were, Tao Pai Pai knocked Son Goku out with this technique. (Daizenshuu 2, p.205)



11- Haikyuu-Ken [Volleyball Fist]
First Appearance: Chapter 129
Category: physical martial arts
People: Tenshinhan
Special Characteristics: A technique held in reserve to finish off opponents that have taken a fair amount of damage. True to its name’s origin [“Volleyball Fist”], he commences a three stage attack that imitates volleyball. It’s a fearsome combo attack: tossing his opponent high in the air, just as they come down he punches them for a receive. Next, he hits them with an intense two-fisted strike, knocking them down for a toss. Finally, he does an attack, jumping into the air and hitting the opponent snapshot, knocking them into the ground. He displayed it at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai. (Daizenshuu 2, p.206)

12- Bukujutsu
First Appearance: Chapter 119
Category: ki manipulation
People: Krillin, Son Goku, Son Gohan, Son Goten, Chaozu, Tenshinhan, Videl, others
Special Characteristics: As a unique technique of the Tsuru-sen School, it seems that Tsuru-sennin is the one who thought it up. By emitting ki from the entire body, one moves as if fluttering through the air. It’s a basic ki manipulation technique, on par with the ki blast. Like Videl, anyone can do it merely be learning how to use ki. Also, Krillin and Goku learned this technique through self study. The speed the user moves through the air with Bukujutsu is related to their level of skill and the extent of their ki. Those aliens who can fly, such as Piccolo, move through the sky using the same principle as Bukujutsu. Kame-sennin never used this technique, perhaps because he had Kinto-un and Baby Gamera. (Daizenshuu 4, p.113)


13- Mashingan-zuki(Machinegun Thrust)
First Appearance: Chapter 128
Category: physical martial arts
People: Tenshinhan
Special Characteristics: A technique where he unleashes a stream of jabs, similar to how a machinegun fires bullets. Those attacked are not given any time to defend themselves. During the finals of the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai, he drove Goku into a nasty predicament.

14- Mafuuba [Demon Seal Wave]
First Appearance: Chapter 135
Category: special
People: Kami, Kame-sennin, Tenshinhan, Mutaito
Special Characteristics: A secret art which Kame-sennin’s master, Mutaito, devised in order to seal up Piccolo Daimao, the incarnation of evil. Firing all one’s life energy from the palm of your hands, this creates a violent, spiraling wind which draws in the opponent, sealing them like this into an airtight container affixed with magic charms. A normal person will perish when they use this secret art. Kame-sennin fired it at the revived Piccolo Daimao in exchange for his own life, but it ultimately failed. (Daizenshuu 2, p.207/Daizenshuu 4, p.113)


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sábado, 7 de novembro de 2009

Dragon ball Z/Akira Toriyama's battle power definition and FAQ

Toriyama's answer about battle powers in an interview!!!!

What’s the secret of winning in battle?

Akira Toriyama:"When it comes to battle, the most important thing is KI SIZE, and its control. Of course, “ki” also includes such spiritual power as energy/vigor [genki] and bravery [yuuki], and being in one’s right mind [shouki] (note 11). There’s a limit to physical strength, no matter how much you toughen it up, and the only way to overcome that it is with “ki”. I think that it was through turning ki into formidable power that Goku drew closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe"

KIKOHO HAS ALL THESE THINGS
If it doesn't come from Tenshinhan's ki, then where does it come from? There is no external source for any of these ki attacks
The fact is, Kikouhou is focusing your ki directly into your hands, and releasing it. To use all of your ki would kill you (as seen in the Nappa battle), but Tenshinhan is able to control it so that he doesn't use up 100%, especially come Shinkikouhou. That's why it's dangerous because of its power; "its power" is caused by the fact that it uses up a great deal of ki, and your ki is your spirit force/etc.
Kamehameha is not shown to be capable of using up such large fractions of the user's ki, and thusly does not do as much proportional damage.
It is entirely feasible that one of his Kikouhou could be more powerful than a single attack from Piccolo or Gokuu, because neither of them possess techniques that can use such a high percentage of their power at once.

Goku had already taken out his weight clothing by that point, and, as shown in the battle against Radtiz, besides special moves, that's the only thing which change DB Goku power level
Besides everything else, there's the simple fact that the Kikoho is only powerful because most of Tenshinhan's ki is used to fuel it. However, The kikoho that Tenshinhan used against Buu didn't make Tenshihan die[VS Nappa], fall uncouncious[VS Cell], or even get tired[VS Budokai Arena... er... Goku].




Tenshinhan IN THE MANGA ABOUT GOKU FIGHTING FREEZA AND THE USE OF KAIÔKEN: "At his level of training, he should be able to multiply his power up to a factor of 10!"

Tenshinhan sees Goku's max without straining himself to be a factor of 10, and again reiterates that the Kaio-ken still multiplies by folds.

Goku: "I...I could try a Kaio-ken increase to 20 times...but I don't know if my body can handle it..."
As goku got stronger he could multiply his own power more.
Goku at 8,000 could only do 4x at best
Goku at around 3 millions could do 20x
Yet you couldn't possibly think goku at around 100,000 could do 20x or in Tenshinhan's case 10,000x.

So the stronger you have Tenshinhan, the more the neo kikoho multiplier makes sense.

Tenshinhan saying he is going to use KaiôKen's techniques isn't good enough?
He has to both say he's going to use them. Then mention it 10 other times. Then yell Kaioken when he uses the attack. Then explain to Cell that the Neo Kikoho uses Kaioken-esk skills. Then write "I'm using King Kai's fucking Techniques' all over his muscular body, before some biased fanboys admit it?
The Neo Kikoho has no psychic energy in it. The name meaning itself has no mentioning of granting the user power to push or hold back foes 10,000x stronger than yourself. It's a pure destructive power force that's all coming from Tenshinhan.

And actually the kikoho can be used as proof of something. For Tenshinhan to be as weak as some of you biased retards put him, maybe even weaker than captain ginyu...lol He shouldn't be able to output 10,000x his strength 10 times in a row at all and make semi-perfect cell drool in an inescapable pit.
I couldn't even deal with Tenshinhan pulling off a lucky one tri-beam without going boom...but around ten times each over 10,000x his normal power??! loooool

If you use the theory of life force (which is denied by the manga)... Then shouldn't self destructing also amp you're attack around 10,000x you're natural strength?
For Tenshin to be under 1,000,000 and expel an attack 10,000x his strength 10 times is far more unbelievable than thinking Tenshinhan was indeed much over a million just training on earth under Sensei Kaiô training methods for 3 years.

Toriyama disregards fanboyism over what his plot is calls for. You can clearly see this by how humans can be over 3 times more powerful in under a year when training in urgency in the saiyan saga. How is it not more believable that humans can gain this growth when training in urgency for 3 years? Thinking humans are bound by this "human wall" really is a dumb assumption. Humans have broken this wall as early as dragon ball times. They shouldn't even be called human anymore. More like super human. So comparing their growth to at least half what a saiyan's growth gain would be (without zenkai) isn't wrong at all.

Agree that Tenshinhan shouldn't be "logically" be anywhere in the millions because he's only a human and is not a saiyan nor a namekian warrior. But you guys have to remember ...humans have broken this "human wall" as early as db times. Looking at krillin because he's a human when he first made his appearance in dragonball you'd never think he'd be as strong as he is now. Plus tenshinhan has alien blood making him in a league of his own.

Someone is going to have to give a good explanation how Tenshinhan can do a feat that android 16 couldn't even dream of doing. Being at a power level less than 100,000 as some of you retards put him and using the neo tri-beam to expel an attack 10,000x his normal strength in continuous rains of 10 times without blowing up or dying of fatigue after the first strike, simply isn't possible at all.
Think about it this way. Each energy attack in Dragon Ball uses a proportionally-fixed amount of the user's "ki".

If Goku has 1000 "ki points", then "Kamehameha" allows him to direct 1% of his total "ki", or 10 "ki points"

If Tenshinhan has 100 "ki points", then "Kikoho" allows him to direct 25% of his total "ki", or 25 "ki points"

Goku would still have more energy than Tenshinhan and more physical strength because of his higher "ki rating", but Tenshinhan can direct more energy at once using the "Kikoho".



Question:
The power of the Kikoho isn't derived from the users power, rather it multiplies its power and uses the users lifeforce. If it was Ten's own power, that would mean Ten > Artificial Human 16 +Piccolo +#17+#18 etc

Answer:Are you fucking retarded??????????????????????There is no life force involved according to the precious manga.Furthermore,using Toriyama definition of battle power:
When it comes to battle, the most important thing is ki size, and its control. Of course, “ki” also includes such spiritual power as energy/vigor [genki] and bravery [yuuki], and being in one’s right mind [shouki] (note 11). There’s a limit to physical strength, no matter how much you toughen it up, and the only way to overcome that it is with “ki”. I think that it was through turning ki into formidable power that Goku drew closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe.


Kikoho means ki size and control,all these things are represented by Shin Kikoho.loooooool
Where is it stated that the "Kikoho" technique "multiplies" the power of the user? The attack draws energy from the hidden potential (similar to the "Kamehameha") and spiritual force of the user, which would mean that it's -still- using Tenshinhan's own power -- it's just ultimately fatal if overused.
Meaning that Tenshinhan's hidden potential would be at least in the range of a supressed semi-perfect Cell,considering that Shin Kikoho holds Cell in that form.

Original translation from the original japanese manga who proves there isn't life force involved:
Kame Sennin "...The "Chi Cannon"... a move of enormous destructive force... many times more powerful than even a Kamehameha... its power is so colossal, in fact, that the drain on one's own energy is devastating... warriors have been known to die by using it... and even if one survives, one's life is shortened... that evil Tsuru-sen'nin... teaching him a move that should be never taught...

"It's a technique with the potential for incredible destructive energy*... Several times more than even the Kamehameha..."

*Nothing about pushing back the opponent. Hakairyoku is a pretty straightforward word (destructive energy/power). You cannot get the idea that the Kikoho is a mere pusing attack from this text.


Some biased retarded fans forget to mention that it's power comes from Tenshinhan's ki. It is a strong attack, but it's strength comes from his ki. Also, notice that that doesn't mean that Cell Saga Tenshinhan > Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, A-16, A-17, A-18 etc. It means that Tenshinhan can fire ten blasts which are stronger than anything those people can make and fall unconscious.

But remember that it's still his ki, and... points to Nappa's fight... Using the kikoho(which can't be that much worse than the shin kikoho, Goku even calls that new attack only kikoho) with all his ki in one blast Tenshinhan only stops Nappa's movement, and dies. This is a worse result than the one from the blasts against Cell and he used all his ki in one blast, instead of few blasts.
Tenshinhan also doesn't looks tired after using Kikoho to deflect Buutensks energy blast.

And before "Super" Buu kicked Tenshinhan he thought to himself "Hey, normally I just whack people with my full strength since I'm evil, but I'm only going to hit -this- guy lightly doing my hardest to not kill him since he's such an attractive man."lol
However,0,00001 of Super Buutenks power was above a 50% freeza.lol



Tenshinhan also dodges a laser that even base Goku had trouble with, and keeps up with Piccolo(to an extent) who is in the megamillions. Thats proof right there, that Tenshinhan is not /10000th of Piccolo's power. a PL: 50,000 can’t dodge with the same ability as a PL: 10,000,000+
Piccolo flew at top speed to assist Trunks against A-18. Tenshinhan followed, also at top speed with a fuzzy aura. By some retard levels, Piccolo should have reached A-17 before Tenshinhan even left the ground. As it is, Piccolo was about 2-5 times faster at most, probably even less.
Another evident point is that if Gero is 30,000,000 and Yamcha is 2,000,000 then Gero becomes considerably stronger(6.6%) from absorbing him. If Gero is 30,000,000 and Yamcha is 50,000 then Gero becomes fuck(+0.16%) all stronger. Since Gero said that Yamcha is a good source of power, and not a useless and pathetic source of power,it is obvious he would eb in the millions.

Alongside with Piccolo and Tenshinhan Goku said to A-20:
“…We’ll tear you to pieces…” and all of them were in battle stances.


dumb question: Vegeta in SSJ form deflects kikoha blast from Boo. Whats your point?


Answer:So you're implying that the difference between Tenshinhan and "Super" Buu (+ Gotenks and Piccolo) is the same as the difference between Super Saiya-jin Vegeta and a less powerful form of Majin Buu? That would mean that Tenshinhan is ridiculously strong and wouldn't help the position you've advocated thus far, so I'm going to assume you just didn't understand what you were saying.looool
Finally,future base gohan is owning easily young super sayajin Trunks
which means base sayajins were above 150 millions.Get over it fucking retards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!loooooooooooooooool


Concluding, according to Toriyama battle power definition Tenshinhan's battle power was certainly and easily in the mid millions.