You know that some mangatards love to discredit daizenshuu saying the retarded crap...
it's not in the fucking manga.lol
Toriyama couldn't have made everything correct and exact.
I will show contradictions that there are, and I will provide the most vital. I am not bashing the Manga, just clearing out for those that claim the Manga is 100% correct, and that Manga based curriculums are 100% true, then think again.
1-Goku didn't turn into Oozaru when he transported Boss Rabbit to the moon (and they were able to breathe in space without dying )
2- Bardock fought Freeza in Planet Vegeta`s orbit,again how the fuck he breathed in space??lol
3-GOKU VS CELL: Son Goku, destroyed Cell's brain, and later on when Cell, self destructs, he explains that his resurrection was due to the fact that a Cell from his brain survived the explosion. By this the Manga is implying that all the Z fighters had to do is destroy his brain which Son Goku did, so it is therefore a contradiction.In conclusion,Piccolo said that he could regenerate any amount of flesh as long as his brain was intact, so how come when Goku blew Cell's upper half off he could still regenerate? Don't tell me that his brain was actually located in his lower half, because when explaining how he became Super Perfect Cell he points to his head and even says that his core is located in his head.lol
4-Goku and Vegeta zenkais in Namek:
Goku is listed as 90,000 upon arrival on Namek. After a beat-down he heals up and jumps up in power to 3,000,000. "That's the zenkai thing" you say, "what's the problem? He got the same thing after the fight on Earth." Well, that time, he was beaten to within an inch of his life, healed up and then trained harder than anyone else in the universe had ever trained before - and that increased his strength about 10-fold (8,000 to 90,000). Now, on Namek he got beaten up, but not to the point he was back on Earth, and he got a 30-fold increase (90,000 to 3,000,000). There's the problem. He got a a worse beatdown and trained harder than anything imaginable and 'only' got a 10-fold increase. Suddenly he takes a few punches and gets a 30-fold increase? Also, Vegeta gets blasted through the heart, bleeds all over the place, passes out, and generally comes far closer to death than Goku did, yet gets less of a Zenkai than Goku on the "Base Goku = 3,000,000" scale. Body switching DOES NOT MATTER. That has NO effect on the Saiya-jin's body AT ALL and thus can't damage it. On top of this, Goku's beating asn't nearly as severe as the one he took on Earth. It WAS cappable of functioning. He could have survived without a regen tank. He was only put there so that he'd be able to help against Freeza later. Where as on Earth, he wouldn't have survived otherwise (Uh, hello? Iron Lung?). It's more than 3 times higher than ANYTHING Vegeta got for a boost and he was receiving superior Zenkai's the entire time. Alright. Let's look at Vegeta first since we've got the most info on him. Earth = 18,000. After a single Zenkai he's now at about 24,000 (IIRC). His second Zenkai probably put him into the low to mid 30,000's. His third most likely put him in the upper 60,000's to lower 70,000's. More than enough to stomp on Jeice, Ginyu in Goku's body, and the injured Ginyu.
Now we get to Vegeta's 'nap'. Obviously *something* was up with his body. He'd had a Senzu so he should have been in tip-top shape, but he wasn't. My thought is that the constant fighting had caused his Zenkai to continue beyond just the healing from the Senzu and that's why he felt odd. After this 'nap' his power is about 250k (just over 8 times more than when he fought Recoome). Then, Krillin blasts a hole THROUGH HIS CHEST and he's only moments from dieing before Dende finally heals him. And yet, his power boost is still less than 10x.
Now look at Goku. From 8k to 90k. And by most people's thoughts that's with 100g training and 4 Zenkais. Considering he was so throughly thrashed on Earth I'd say he was probably around 12k to 16k after the Vegeta fight. Still, even at 12k, that's only a 7.5 increase with training and 3 Zenkais.
Then, suddenly, when his body takes a beating LESS than that of what he got on Earth (less than what Vegeta got against Zarbon too, even) he jumps up more than 33 fold? No. No. No. Just no. The HIGHEST Zenkai we've seen is from Vegeta going up about 10x. Goku's been lucky by best estimation to get a 2x boost from his. 90k to 300k is a 3x boost. That's more reasonable for his gains than 33x.
5-In the Original Manga, Jisu gets ready to read Bejita's power level and he reads his battle power at " ..20,000!". Refer to Daizenshuu 7 and you see that in the battle power chart, Bejita's battle power for when Son Goku arrives on Planet Namek is 30,000. As far as we know this is the first place ever to give Bejita's battle power from that time as being 30,000. Look at the Kanzenban re-release of the Manga which featured things such as slightly revised artwork and a new ending by Toriyama-sensei, the dialogue from before Bejita fight Reccome is change so that Bejita's power level coincides with the Daizenshuu 7.
Many people say that Toriyama-sensei had nothing to do with any of the Daizenshuu's because he made the Dragonball Escheat in 1994, that is completely untrue. Also people say that he wasn't invovled in GT either, which is also false. In the past, it has been proved Toriyama's initial involvement in DragonBall GT via his early character and landscape designs in the daizenshuu and DBGT Perfect File books. Daizenshuu 6 ("MOVIES & TV SPECIALS"), in particular, showcases Toriyama's character designs for the likes of Coola (and his henchmen), movie 7's jinzôningen, Broli, Bojack, etc.
What about the general filler material in the TV show?Toriyama had nothing to do with any of that, right...? Not quite.It is certainly not the case that Toriyama wrote and "drew" every single episode in the TV series, but the recent anime guide Son Gokû Densetsu finally gives us a little glimpse into the clearly-overworked man's involvement in the TV series. There were many character designs Toriyama came up with for filler material, including Paikuhan, Dai-Kaiô, and the beginnings of King Vegeta. We also learn that for many story points, Toriyama would typically come up with a vague idea and leave a memo for the TV series staff to, essentially, go wild with and develop a full story from said idea. Some of these items included the back-history of the Saiyans and the Tsufurus for DBZ episode 20, the Z-Senshi's training with the "Ancient" Saiyans via Kami's Palace, and Lunch's persistent chasing of Tenshinhan. Yamcha's job as a baseball player was Toriyama-sensei's idea! Also remember cases such as Bardock, who was essentially a joint-collaboration between Akira Toriyama and Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru. In fact, Toriyama liked the idea so much, he ended up integrating it into his own canon storyline in the manga.
So please don't listen to dumb rumors retwisting or denying what took place because it is completely untrue.
6-The Super Saiyan legend:
Vegeta states at least three versions of the legend. One version is that a Super Saiyan emerges every thousand years. A second version is that a Super Saiyan hadn't appeared in over a thousand years (signifying that anyone could've become a Super Saiyan at anytime in Saiyan history). And in a third version, Vegeta states "Super Saiyans of legend", as in more than one. Whether or not he was speaking about more than one at a single point in history is unknown
7-Vegeta and Gohan's tails never growing back, as well as Goten and Trunks not being born with tails. (Simply a mistake by AT)
Goku: "This Kin-to'un(magic stick) you gave me is awesome!!"
Muten Roshi: "Of course it is! I got it straight from Kami-sama himself!"
Wrong Roshi got it from karin:
Goku: "Th-Then the Kinto'un that I got from the old turtle guy..."
Karin-sama: "Yes. I gave it to him long ago."
9-kame sennin with a power bellow 200 destroys the moon easily and vegeta with 18.000 has to recharge
to destroy the earth
10-Gravity training in dragon ball
Some dumb fanboys use gravity training as an example to prove that characters like Tenshinhan could not reach the high millions,guess what,gravity is an unreliable form of training, and cannot be used to determine any ones power level.
Some retards think that after the moment you train at gravity, you will become stronger to a point, and then not get any bonus from it.Vegeta was training in x150 after mastering x300, why would he do that if x150=x1 for him?lol
Goku could lift 390kg per arm at least(based on average arm weight and x100) at PL: 90,000.
When Goku trained at 10x earths gravity (and mastered it) on Kaio's planet, his base power level went up to "over 8.000". Now when he traveled to Namek he mastered training in 100xG. But after this training his power level was stated to be "About 90,000". So by training in 10x (100xG) the earlier gravity training, which was 10xG, his powerlevel went about 10 times up... So theoretically (with a linear relation) Goku in SSJ form, where his PL was about 150 million should be able to train in about 150.000xG! Toriyama didn't think about this after the Freeza saga, because Vegeta's training in 100xG ruins this theory :Vegeta is stated to have 180,000 kg (possibly more) as weight while training in the graviton for the androids, that means he could lift around nearly 200 tons thus Goku should be able to lift 100 tons with ease since his base form shouldn't be that much weaker than Vegeta's. But many things after the Freeza saga seems to be down powered and there are some inconsistencies.
Actually, if Goku were able to train in 100xG (before namek), he would weight near 10 tons in the gravity chamber. And it is ridiculous and a contradiction that he was unable to lift the 10 tons in his base form that the other Kaio suggested,and needed to turn SSJ... These 40-tons seems ridiculous for many reasons.
In the Buu saga, Goku is stronger than Vegeta yet he can barely handle 2 tonnes. He is at least 3,000,000 in base in that saga, so should be able to handle 13 tonnes. That means the weight lifting ability at different levels are flawed, meaning training that just increases weight, like gravity or weighted clothing, will be flawed and illogical.
When still preparing for the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai both Goku and Kuririn moved a gigantic rock simply by pushing it. That was when they were 12 and 13 and just had been training the Kame-Sennin style for a couple of months...
Then we have to deal with a fucking retard:
Dumb biased retarded statement:"...Gigantic rock??? It was a boulder that was lodged in the ground. "Simply?" It took everything they could muster to push it along for a few feet..."
Answer:OMFG are you fucking retarded?????????
See this image?
"That is an 80 ton rock !!!!!looool Yes sir,you are a dumbass!!!!!
The rock that Goku moved after Roshi`s training was as big as this, if not bigger.
And by the end of dragon ball he lifted a giant-sized Piccolo
and Goku was the size of Piccolo`s finger when he lifted him.
As you can see manga has several mistakes.
So,don't listen to dumb rumors re twisting or denying daizenshuu just because things are not in the manga.
It seems that mangatards and some My Favourite Games fucking dumbasses got clapped down again!!!!!!!!!!!!!looooooooooool